LOL, tickle Piper...
Posted on 03/18/2006 7:34:36 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
Some have described the situation in Iraq as a tightening noose, noting that "time is not on our side"and that "morale is down." Others have described a "very dangerous" turn of events and are "extremely concerned."
Who are they that have expressed these concerns? In fact, these are the exact words of terrorists discussing Iraq -- Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his associates -- who are describing their own situation and must be watching with fear the progress that Iraq has made over the past three years.
The terrorists seem to recognize that they are losing in Iraq. I believe that history will show that to be the case.
Fortunately, history is not made up of daily headlines, blogs on Web sites or the latest sensational attack. History is a bigger picture, and it takes some time and perspective to measure accurately.
Consider that in three years Iraq has gone from enduring a brutal dictatorship to electing a provisional government to ratifying a new constitution written by Iraqis to electing a permanent government last December. In each of these elections, the number of voters participating has increased significantly -- from 8.5 million in the January 2005 election to nearly 12 million in the December election -- in defiance of terrorists' threats and attacks.
One of the most important developments over the past year has been the increasing participation of Iraq's Sunni community in the political process. In the volatile Anbar province, where Sunnis are an overwhelming majority, voter turnout grew from 2 percent in January to 86 percent in December.
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LOL, tickle Piper...
And you want us to retreat and allow Iraq to become one of 'em. That's what makes no sense.
All out financial warfare by America can strangle these nations.
This doesn't have anything to do with preventing Al Qaeda from scoring a huge victory in Iraq.
Fighting foot soldiers and common thugs gains us nothing. We should be going after the head of the serpent, not pricking its body.
Why not walk *and* chew gum. Anyway, it's not the "fighting foot soldiers" per se which is of value, it's the holding of territory.
the radicals will hold this territory at some time after we leave
As you already said. Which is why we can't leave.
Sorry, I'm so far behind on letters and comments tonight.
Piper is playing with his Beanie baby, he has a toybox full of them, lol.
We have won the war and are very close to winning the Peace!
Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters
Don't be afraid to say.
"I support the President on the war in Iraq and GWOT."
Victory For Iraq is our noble cause. Power, Lies, Socialism are the cause of our enemies.
Well said, but the problem of those terrorists is not their millitary threat, the problem is their abillity to obstruct troops and to cost American and other money and lives. 20.000 well trained killers that use the coverage of the common Iraqi populace are able to disequilibrate the country for a long long time. Maybe you guys remember Northern Ireland, the IRA (with only between 0 - 1000 active fighters), the unrest and its costs for the UK. Not exactly a good business.
Anyway problems must be solved. No matter if it is pleasant or not. Therefore America has to face the bitter reality that it has to provide a large quantity of troops and a huge amount of money in the region (maybe not soley in Iraq but somewhere not far away) for decades. Secretary Rumsfeld is right when he is saying that if would not have been a solution to leave Germany on itself after WWII. Although the situations in Germany and Iraq can not be compared due to the different circumstances, this is for sure true.
You are proposing perpetual occupation of foreign lands with perpetual hundreds of billions spent with perpetual lack of progress with a perpetual avoidance of alternative methods that can be used that are more productive.
Your think in a shallow box with a one-way street.
Re: "perpetual", again, nothing's forever. Anyway you don't seem up in arms about our "perpetual" occupations of South Korea, Germany, etc. Why is that?
As for "avoiding alternative methods", sorry, I've seen no more productive alternative methods to the problem of Iraq's power vacuum proposed here.
"Financial warfare" is a nice phrase to intone when you want to oppose a war but still feel like you're advocating something, but when the rubber meets the road it's not even clear that you know what you're talking about when you say it, let alone how it could possibly apply to Iraq.
You are a cake walk to debate with............wake up, pal. Check out the data. It has not cost us $400 billion and 18,000 casualties to be in South Korea or Germany. Also we are in SOUTH Korea, not North Korea. South Korea and Germany do not have a civil war going on like Iraq has, now does it.
Re financial warfare.............. you don't have a clue. My career has been in the global financial industry. I know what can be done financially, you don't. No sense debating this any further since you do not have the slightest clue what financial warfare could do to another nation. Since you are not in the financial services field, I understand; however, it is something you should research.
Iraq isn't in a Civil War you damned idiot.....
Actually, if I recall correctly, getting into Germany cost us on the order of hundreds of thousands of casualties, and South Korea tens of thousands at least. But you're right, now those places are far more peaceful than they once were. So if you do your tallies based on say 2005 numbers, ignoring those initial costs long ago, of course they come out cheap. Conversely, if you had lazily/linearly projected the situations in those places 50 years ago to last forever (as you're doing now for Iraq) you'd have come up with a wild overestimate of what their costs by 2006 would end up being. But as someone with a career in The Global Financial Industry, you should know that doing either thing is cooking the books.
My career has been in the global financial industry. I know what can be done financially, you don't. No sense debating this any further since [bla...]
I agree, no sense debating further. Let's just say you have failed to convince me of the merits of ending our military presence in Iraq and ceding that territory to Al Qaeda in favor of "financial warfare" against someone, and leave it at that. Which really shouldn't be a surprise to you since you haven't explained one iota about what that would mean re:Iraq and why/how it would be beneficial; apparently you expected your authority (having had a career in The Global Financial Industry) to suffice. Learning your field, I now understand your being enamored of "financial warfare" though; how do they say it? "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"?
ACK!
And the best reply I saw was this:
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| Posted by Pukin Dog to Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 On News/Activism 03/21/2006 9:48:44 AM CST · 509 of 666 Oh shut up. The little yellow bus will be pulling up soon. If you dont understand the difference between the rate of growth in discretionary spending, in comparison to WAR spending AND entitlement spending, you have nothing to say on the matter. Bush has lost you? BUSH DOESNT NEED YOU! |
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Sorry for the ping, Pukin, but I was replaying your post over here and thought it courteous to let you know!
No kidding. I have had some fun this week I tell ya. And we drew out a couple with VERY OLD sign on dates.
A civil war in Iraq? Where in Iraq? I don't see it in Baghdad. I would think if there was a civil war, they'd have some of it in the capital, right? The only thing I know of a civil war here is some weirdness I keep hearing in the media.
Can somebody please tell me where I can find that civil war?
Oh surely you just need to look a little harder?? /sarcasm
Hee hee!
Come on troll, back up your Civil War claims. You are all over the Press Conference thread......
don't try to act like we aren't waiting for you to respond, we are, just so we can make fun of you some more.....
The Troll probably went back to DU for further instructions.
LOL
probably
{crickets chirping...}
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