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United States Policy toward Iran: Michael A. Ledeen ~ TESTIMONY before House Int Relations Cmmt
American Enterprise Institute ^ | Wednesday, March 8, 2006 | Dr. Michael A. Ledeen

Posted on 03/09/2006 10:35:35 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach


United States Policy toward Iran

Next Steps

By Michael A. Ledeen

Posted: Wednesday, March 8, 2006

TESTIMONY

Committee on International Relations

 (U.S. House of Representatives)

Publication Date: March 8, 2006

I am delighted and honored by your invitation to discuss American policy toward Iran, but before I do that, I hope I will be permitted a few personal words in appreciation of the welcome contribution that you, Chairman Hyde, have made to our country and to the tenor of life in Washington.

Our national political debate has long been very fractious, and this moment is especially nasty.  But you are a rare man, Mr. Chairman.  You have never forgotten that our elected representatives are sworn to advance the national interest, whatever the transient demands of party or faction.  You have done that with rare grace and humor, through some terrible personal tragedies and despite some particularly insensitive slanders.  After nearly thirty years in Washington, I cherish many memories of your ability to defuse a tense situation with an urbane chuckle, all the while reminding your colleagues of their responsibilities to the American people.  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.  I hope that your years ahead are full of satisfaction and fulfillment.

Future historians will be baffled at the intensity and tenacity with which successive American administrations have refused to deal seriously with the obvious and explicit threat from the Islamic Republic of Iran.  From the first hours of the fanatical regime of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1979, Iran declared war on us in language it seems impossible to misunderstand.  We are the great Satan, while they are the representatives of the one true faith, sworn to combat satanic influence on earth.  Hassan Abassi, the chief strategic adviser to President Ahmadi-Nezhad, recently put it this way: “America means enemy, and enemy means Satan.”

They have waged unholy war against us ever since.  They created Hizbollah and Islamic Jihad, and they support most all the others, from Hamas and al Qaeda to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command.  Iran’s proxies range from Shiites to Sunnis to Marxists, all cannon fodder for the overriding objective to dominate or destroy us.

A lot of nonsense has been written about the theoretically unbridgeable divide between Sunnis and Shiites, and we should remind ourselves that the tyrants of the Islamic Republic do not share these theories.  The Iranian Revolutionary Guards as Shiite as they come were trained, beginning in the early 1970s, by Asser Arafat’s Fatah Sunnis one and all.  Arafat was the first foreign leader to be invited to Tehran after the overthrow of the shah, proving that when it comes to killing infidels, theological disagreements are secondary to the jihad.  Yet even today, we hear that it is quite impossible that the mullahs have supported al Qaeda, because bin Laden, Zawahiri and Zarqawi are famously Sunni.    

The Iranian war against us is now twenty-seven years old, and we have yet to fight back.  In those twenty-seven years thousands of innocent people have died at the hands of the mullahs’ terror state, inside Iran and around the world.  Many Americans have been killed, in Lebanon twenty years ago and in Iraq today, by terrorists armed, trained and funded by the Islamic Republic.  Iran is invariably atop the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism, and we know that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi created a European-wide terrorist network in the latter years of the last century from a stronghold in Tehran.  We know this from public sources –from copious documentation presented by the German and Italian Governments in public trials against terrorists arrested in their countries.  Among the evidence introduced by the prosecution were intercepts of phone conversations between terrorists in Europe and Zarqawi in Tehran.

We also know from abundant evidence ranging from documents to photographs captured by American forces in both Fallujah and Hilla of the intimate working relationships between terrorists in Iraq and the regimes in Tehran and Damascus.  Indeed, the terror war in Iraq is a replay of the strategy that the Iranians and the Syrians used in the 1980s to drive us and our French allies out of Lebanon.  Those Americans who believed it was possible to wage the war against terrorism one country at a time, and that we could therefore achieve a relatively peaceful transition from Saddam's dictatorship to an elected democracy, did not listen to the many public statements from Tehran and its sister city in jihad, Damascus, announcing in advance that Iraq was about to become the “new Lebanon.”

They have made good on their threats.  On Monday, ABC News broadcast a story about the discovery of very powerful bombs--the so-called IEDs--sent from Iran into Iraq.

"I think the evidence is strong that the Iranian government is making these IEDs, and the Iranian government is sending them across the border and they are killing U.S. troops once they get there," said Richard Clarke, former White House counterterrorism chief and an ABC News consultant. "I think it's very hard to escape the conclusion that, in all probability, the Iranian government is knowingly killing U.S. troops."

Inevitably, there are still those who believe that somehow our differences can be reconciled, and we can yet reach a modus vivendi with the Islamic Republic.  I wish they were right, but the Iranians’ behavior proves otherwise.  Religious fanatics of the sort that rule Iran do not want a deal with the devil.  They want us dominated or dead.  There is no escape from their hatred, or from the war they have waged against us.  We can either win or lose, but no combination of diplomatic demarches, economic sanctions, and earnest negotiations, can change that fatal equation.  They will either defeat us, or perish.  And that is their decision, not ours.  We have yet to engage.

The Nuclear Question

A few months ago, the CIA concluded that Iran could not produce nuclear weapons in less than a decade, but that timeline seems to have significantly contracted.  Some Russian experts reportedly think it could be a matter of months, and they probably have better information than we do.  In any event, the nuclear question has been elevated to the center of the policy debate, as if nothing else mattered.

The nuclear question is certainly serious.  Numerous Iranian leaders have said that they intend to use nuclear weapons to destroy Israel, and contemporary history suggests that one should take such statements at face value. A nuclear Iran would be a more influential regional force, and since its missiles now reach deep into Europe, it would directly menace the West.   Moreover, once Iran manages to put nuclear warheads on their intermediate range missiles, they might even be able to direct them against American territory from one or more of the Latin American countries with which the mullahs are establishing strategic alliances.  The mullahs make no secret of their strategy; just a couple of weeks ago, when the leader of Hamas was received in honor in Tehran, a photograph of the event was released, in which there was a colorful poster of President Ahmadi-Nezhad and Supreme Leader Khamenei along with Castro, Morales and Chavez.  The mullahs would be pleased to nuke Israel, and they would be thrilled to kill millions of Americans.

But they don’t need atomic bombs to kill large numbers of Americans; they have long worked on other weapons of mass destruction, and they doubtless have moved plenty of terrorists all over the Western world.  Hardly a day goes by without chest-pounding speeches from the mullahs warning us about the wave of suicide bombers headed our way.  I am afraid that the obsession with the nuclear question often obscures the central policy issue: that the Islamic Republic has waged war against us for many years and is killing Americans every week.  They would do that even if they had no chance of developing atomic bombs, and they will do that even if, by some miracle, the feckless and endlessly self-deluding governments of the West manage to dismantle the secret facilities and impose an effective inspection program.  The mullahs will do that because it is their essence.  It is what they are.

The nuclear threat is inseparable from the nature of the regime.  If there were a freely elected, democratic government in Tehran, instead of the self-selecting tyranny of the mullahs, we would not feel such a sense of urgency about the nuclear program, or about an effective American policy toward Iran. 

And still we debate how to respond.  Some even wonder if we should respond at all.  That is why we are here today.

What to Do?

The first step in crafting a suitable policy toward Iran is to abandon the pretense that we can arrive at a negotiated settlement.  It can’t be done.  The Iranians view negotiations as merely tactical enterprises in support of their strategic objectives.  Just look at the news from this past Sunday.  According to the London Sunday Telegraph: 

Iran duped European Union negotiators into thinking it had halted efforts to make nuclear fuel while it continued to install equipment to process yellowcake--a key stage in the nuclear-fuel process, a top Iranian negotiator boasted in a recent speech to leading Muslim clerics.
   
That bit of incautious self-congratulation came from Hassan Rowhani, the mullah in charge of negotiations with the French, British and Germans.  He thoughtfully tells us that the Iranians used the negotiations to buy time for their nuclear program.  They never intended to “negotiate in good faith.”  As Colin Powell said in mid-January, Iran cannot be trusted to tell the truth about its nuclear program.

Nor is there any reason to believe that we can count on the United Nations to impose the rules of civilized behavior on the mullahs, either on nuclear issues or terrorism. 

That leaves us with three courses of action, none of which is automatically exclusive of the others: sanctions, military strikes, and support for democratic revolution.  I am opposed to sanctions, I am generally opposed to military strikes, and I fully endorse support for revolution.

Sanctions

I do not know of a case in which sanctions have produced a change in behavior by a regime that considered us its enemy.  The two possible exceptions are regimes that thought of themselves as friends of the United States, and wanted to be embraced by us: Chile and apartheid South Africa.  But enemy regimes don’t respond to sanctions, whether it be Castro’s Cuba or Qadaffi's Libya or the Soviet Empire.  Indeed, sanctions aimed against the national economy are misconceived, because they harm the people who are not our enemies and may be our best weapon against the tyrants while leaving the tyrannical and oppressive elite largely untouched.

The basic rule for dealing with our tyrannical enemies is to punish the regime and help the people.  Big-time economic sanctions or embargoes cannot do that, but very limited sanctions and other economic and financial actions can.  I am very much in favor of seizing the assets of the Iranian leaders, because while the mullahs have ruined the lives of most Iranians, they have greatly enriched themselves at the people’s expense, and a good deal of that money has been squirreled away in foreign bank accounts.  My favorite example of the greed of the Iranian ruling class is a transaction tax, roughly worth 5% of the purchase price, all of which goes into the personal fund of the Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei.

That money properly belongs to the Iranian people, whose misery grows from day to day.  We should hold it for them, and return it to a freely elected government after we have helped them overthrow their oppressors.

I also agree that a travel ban on the top leaders would be useful, if for no other reason than its symbolic value.  It tells the Iranian people that we consider the mullahs unworthy of acceptance in the civilized world.  The Iranians know it, far better than we.  But they need to see that we have taken sides, and the travel ban is one good way to do that.

Military Action

Nobody is talking about an invasion of Iran, but there is considerable speculation about limited strikes against nuclear facilities.  I do not know enough about our information to be able to offer an informed opinion on this matter.  I would only point out that our intelligence about Iran has been bad since before the revolution of 1979, and one would have to be very optimistic to base a military plan on our current intelligence product.  Iranians are skilled at deceit, and have been hiding their nuclear projects from us for a long time. 

Military action carries enormous risks, because of the many unforeseeable consequences.  Some number of Iranians would likely be inclined to rally to the national defense, even if they hate the regime.  It’s impossible to estimate how many of them would take this path.  Moreover, there would inevitably be innocent victims, and our strategy should aim at saving innocents, not killing them.  Add to that the virtual certainty that Iran would respond with a wave of terrorism, from Iraq to Europe to the homeland. 

That said, our failure to design and conduct a serious Iran policy for so long has narrowed out options, and we may be faced with a choice among various unattractive actions.  If we and our allies decide that Iranian nuclear facilities must be taken out, we should first make clear to the Iranian people that we have come slowly and reluctantly to this position, that the regime could have avoided this terrible situation by negotiating in good faith, and that we would never dream of doing such a thing if Iran were governed by reasonable people.

In fact, whatever policy we adopt, it is very important for us to talk a lot to the Iranian people. 

Revolution

Iran had three revolutions in the twentieth century, and boasts a long tradition of self-government.  The Iranian Constitution of 1906 might well serve as a model for the entire region, and prior to Khomeini’s seizure of power, Iran was by far the most progressive Muslim country in the Middle East, providing considerable opportunity for women and a generally tolerant attitude toward minority religious groups, including Jews, Christians and Baha’i. 

The demographics certainly seem to favor radical change: roughly 70% of Iranians are twenty-nine years old or less.  We know from the regime’s own public opinion surveys that upwards of 73% of the people would like a freer society and a more democratic government, and they constantly demonstrate their hatred of the regime in public protests, in the blogosphere in both Farsi (the internet’s fourth most popular language) and English, in strikes (the most recent of which is the ongoing action by the Tehran bus drivers’ union), and from time to time in violent acts against officials on the ground.  The regime’s reaction is violent and ruthless, but the protests continue, and there is good reason to believe that the mullahs are extremely worried.  In response to recent demonstrations in Khuzestan, the oil-producing region in the south, the regime sent in members of the Badr Brigade (the Iranian-trained militia in Iraq) and of (Lebanese) Hizbollah.   This suggests a lack of confidence in the more traditional security organizations: the regular Army, the Revolutionary Guards, and the thuggish Basij, generally described as fanatically loyal to the Islamic ideals of the mullahcracy.

Yet there is a vast cottage industry that gainsays the possibility of successful democratic revolution in Iran.  The pessimists say many things, including the lack of a charismatic leader, the viciousness of the regime, and, with the urgency provided by the nuclear program, a shortage of time, arguing that revolutions take a long time to gather critical mass. 

The pessimism is as bizarre as it is discouraging.  We empowered a successful revolution in the Soviet Empire with the active support of a very small percentage of the population.  How hard can it be for a revolution to succeed in Iran, where more than 70% of the people want it?  Our experience with Soviet Communism suggests that revolution can triumph under harsh repression, and that there are often dynamic democratic revolutionaries even if we cannot always see them.  Indeed, I suspect that in Iran there are many potential leaders, some of whom are in prison while others are underground.  I also suspect that there has been a lot of planning, both for the revolution itself, and for the shape of the free society thereafter.  This was the case in many of the Soviet satellites--Poland and Czechoslovakia being prime examples--and is certainly ongoing in the Iranian diaspora, whether in the United States or in Europe.  It would be surprising if Iranian democrats were not doing the same.

The regime is famously vicious, as the mounting numbers of executions and the ongoing torture in Iran’s prisons unfortunately demonstrate.  But tyranny is the most unstable form of government, and democratic revolution invariably surprises us.  If anyone had forecast a successful democratic revolution in the Ukraine, even three months before it occurred, most of us would have considered it a fantasy. 

Nobody knows with certainty whether revolution can succeed in Iran, or, if it can, how long it will take.  But tyrannies often fall with unexpected speed, and in recent years a surprising number of revolutions have toppled tyrants all over the world.   Most of them got help from us.  Most revolutions, including our own, required external support in order to succeed, and there is a widespread belief in Iran that a democratic revolution cannot defeat the mullahs unless it is supported by the United States.  They are waiting for concrete signs of our support.

Support means, above all, a constant critique by our leaders of the regime’s murderous actions, and constant encouragement of freedom and democracy.  Too many of us have forgotten the enormous impact of Ronald Reagan’s denunciation of the Soviet Union as an “evil empire.”  The intellectual elite of this country condemned that speech as stupid and dangerous, yet the Soviet dissidents later told us that they considered it enormously important, because it showed that we understood the nature of the Soviet regime, and were committed to its defeat.  In like manner, the Iranians need to see that we want an end to the Islamic Republic.  We need to tell them that we want, and show them that we will support, regime change in their country, peaceful, non-violent regime change, not revolution from the barrel of a gun.

We also need to talk to them very specifically about how such revolutions succeed.  We should greatly expand our support for private radio and television broadcasters, both here and in Europe, and we need to get serious about using our own broadcasts as revolutionary instruments.  We are not competing for market share, and we are not in the entertainment business; we should be broadcasting interviews with successful revolutionaries from other countries, and we should be broadcasting conversations with experts on non-violent revolution.  The Iranians need to see, in detail, what works and what does not.  They need to see and hear the experiences of their revolutionary comrades.

We also need to provide them with the wherewithal for two vitally important revolutionary actions: build resources for a strike fund, and get them modern instruments of communication.  The strike fund speaks for itself: workers need to be able to walk off the job, above all the oil fields and the textile and transportation sectors, and know they will be able to feed their families for several weeks. 

The instruments of communication include servers, laptops, satellite and cell phones and phone cards. The regime has been more effective in identifying and repressing nation-wide communications among dissidents.  They have been less effective quashing local networks.  We should accordingly provide the local networks advanced technology in order for them to better communicate between cities and regions.

Leadership in Washington

There is much that is praiseworthy in the Iran Freedom Support Act.  I think it can be improved by more openly embracing a policy of regime change in Iran, and allocating an adequate budget to demonstrate our seriousness in this endeavor.  I know some members would prefer to dance around the explicit declaration of regime change as the policy of this country, but anyone looking closely at the language and content of the Iran Freedom Support Act, and its close relative in the Senate, can clearly see that that is in fact the essence of the matter.  You can’t have freedom in Iran without bringing down the mullahs.

I heartily endorse the suggestion that the President appoint someone responsible for our Iran policy, and who will advise the president and report to the Congress.  The choice of that person is important, because the Iranians will be encouraged by someone who they believe to be firmly on their side, while they will be discouraged by someone who has participated in the failed efforts to formulate a serious Iran policy.

Mr. Chairman, I hope these thoughts will be useful to you and your colleagues in your deliberations.  I believe this is the most important question we face in the Middle East, and in the war against terror.  I wish you wisdom, patience, and good humor in your labors.

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Very powerful Testimony!
1 posted on 03/09/2006 10:35:40 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Ledeen was a member of a panel of 5 at the March 7 Oversight hearing before the Oversight Hearing before the Rep Henry Hyde hearing:

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Committee on International Relations
U.S. House of Representatives
Henry J. Hyde, Chairman

CONTACT: Sam Stratman, (202) 226-7875, March 7, 2006

For IMMEDIATE Release

U.S. Policy & Iran: Next Steps
Hyde Schedules Wednesday Oversight Hearing

BACKGROUND - Iran presents one of the most difficult security challenges confronting the international community. Should Iran’s clerical regime acquire nuclear weapons, as is its evident aim, it would be able to threaten the energy fields of the Arab countries of the Gulf and close the Straits of Hormuz, through which flows much of the world’s energy supply. Inevitably, regional powers such as Saudi Arabia will seek nuclear weapons of their own so that they will not have to rely on others to secure their survival. Because of Iran’s economic importance, it has thus far proven difficult to isolate or pressure successfully.  Japan, for example, derives fifteen percent of its energy from Iran and fully ninety percent of its energy from the Middle East.  What should a Japanese political leader do if that country is asked to cut itself off from Iranian oil?  Because of Iran’s size and military capacity, it is hard to coerce militarily – and it may prove to be exceedingly difficult to disable its nuclear assets.  Any attempt to do so is likely to strengthen the most retrograde political forces there. Iran’s leaders know all this, which may be why they have continued to defy the world, breaking agreements and ignoring international standards of behavior. Iran’s internal politics are dominated by a clerical clique that holds power by force but which also enjoys the active support of a strong minority of the Iranian population and the passive support of a larger share.  Iranian nationalist sentiment can be stirred up easily.  At the same time, the United States is popular in Iran – not least because we clearly oppose that regime and support the Iranian people’s true aspirations for peace and economic progress.  The Administration has begun reaching out even more strongly and has proposed a $75 million public diplomacy program in the Fiscal Year 2006 Supplemental budget now under consideration. The Administration’s approach to Iran in earlier years lacked focus, but, during the past year, it has found its footing and concentrated on a diplomatic strategy that has borne fruit – not in the sense that Iran has been convinced to change its behavior but in the sense that the world community is more united than ever on the proposition that Iran must change. 

WHAT:                             Oversight Hearing:
                                          United States Policy Toward Iran - Next Steps

WHEN:                             10 a.m., Wednesday, March 8, 2006

WHERE:                           2172 Rayburn House Office Building

WITNESSES:                    Panel I:
                                           The Honorable Nicholas Burns,
                                          
Under Secretary for Political Affairs,
                                           U.S. Department of State; and

                                           The Honorable Robert Joseph,
                                          
Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security,
                                           U.S. Department of State;

                                           Panel II:
                                           John C. Hulsman, Ph.D.
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                                           The Heritage Foundation;

                                           Michael A. Ledeen, Ph.D.,
                                          
The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research;

                                           Gary Milhollin,
                                           Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control; and

                                           Abbas William Samii, Ph.D.,
                                          
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.

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2 posted on 03/09/2006 10:40:07 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yes, the Iranians are invincible. We should face reality and immediately surrender...
3 posted on 03/09/2006 10:57:37 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Dear Mr. Ledeen:

I think it's long past time for the U.S. to stop relying on think-tank jack@sses for their advice in matters related to foreign policy and military force. But thanks for your input anyway.

Sincerely,

Alberta's Child

4 posted on 03/09/2006 11:10:59 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
These comments are interesting:

"The pessimism is as bizarre as it is discouraging. We empowered a successful revolution in the Soviet Empire with the active support of a very small percentage of the population. How hard can it be for a revolution to succeed in Iran, where more than 70% of the people want it? Our experience with Soviet Communism suggests that revolution can triumph under harsh repression, and that there are often dynamic democratic revolutionaries even if we cannot always see them. Indeed, I suspect that in Iran there are many potential leaders, some of whom are in prison while others are underground. I also suspect that there has been a lot of planning, both for the revolution itself, and for the shape of the free society thereafter. This was the case in many of the Soviet satellites--Poland and Czechoslovakia being prime examples--and is certainly ongoing in the Iranian diaspora, whether in the United States or in Europe. It would be surprising if Iranian democrats were not doing the same."

Take a page from Ronald Reagan's book during the 80s. Just Do it.
5 posted on 03/09/2006 11:18:52 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
How hard can it be for a revolution to succeed in Iran, where more than 70% of the people want it?

This is one of the morons who said the U.S. would be welcomed into Iraq with open arms by people who would see us as liberators.

He's got about as much credibility on U.S. policy in the Middle East as Cindy Sheehan. It baffles me to know end to see so many supposedly intelligent people in this country who are willing to accept the assertions of some Beltway @sshole at face value.

6 posted on 03/09/2006 11:26:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child; GeorgefromGeorgia; Edgerunner; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; ...
He got challenged in the hearing by others......

Administration is moving very deliberately on Iran.... The hearing is a must see, things are coming into perspective...

Blog to read:

Words have consequences

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Over at Jewish Current Issues, Rick Richman picks up on John's discussion of the thread of Vice President Cheney's speech devoted to Iran: "Words have consequences." Rick places Cheney's speech in the context of other administration statements on the subject. Rick suggests that the administration's statements are more than tough talk: "A marker has been laid down, indicating that this issue is going to be resolved -- by one means or another."

Rick's words put me in mind of Lincoln's great "house divided" speech:

We are now far into the fifth year since a policy was initiated with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to slavery agitation. Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only not ceased, but has constantly augmented. In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.
Harry Jaffa argues powerfully that Lincoln's "house divided" speech is "The speech that changed the world."

It seems that we are reaching a crisis with Iran. Iran is the point from which the forces destabilizing the Middle East and threatening the United States are radiating. They will not cease until a crisis is reached and passed. For additional evidence today, see Thomas Joscelyn's Standard column "Unholy alliance." See also Alexandra von Maltzan's "Iran is building a nuclear weapon." (Thanks to RealClearPolitics for the tip to Joscelyn.)

UPDATE: The American Enterprise Institute has posted Michael Ledeen's must-read testimony to to House Committee on International Relations yesterday. An excerpt:

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I started this thread with the full text from Ledeen.....

7 posted on 03/09/2006 11:44:24 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for ping a ro. Obviously a lot to wade through on this one.


8 posted on 03/09/2006 12:11:58 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
From the first hours of the fanatical regime of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1979, Iran declared war on us in language it seems impossible to misunderstand.

I'm guessing that Ledeen has deliberately left out the first 25+ years of this "war" -- which basically began when the Eisenhower supported the overthrow of the duly-elected Mossadegh government of Iran back in 1953. I can understand why a typical American who doesn't know any better would think that in 1979 Iran suddenly decided that the U.S. was their enemy, but when this kind of crap is uttered by a guy who is supposed to be a "Middle East expert" there is no doubt in my mind that it is a deliberate deception.

9 posted on 03/09/2006 12:24:03 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
Correction -- make that ". . . the Eisenhower administration . . ."
10 posted on 03/09/2006 12:25:11 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Marine_Uncle
Tons....just posted this piece of the puzzle:

Vice President's Remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee 2006 Policy Conference

We need to have a lot of eyes on any replays of the House Hearings....particularly the Remarks by Burns and Joseph.

11 posted on 03/09/2006 12:43:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Alberta's Child

So Iran is justified in their approach?


12 posted on 03/09/2006 12:45:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I didn't say that.

I have no idea if Iran is "justified in their approach" or not. But I do know that it makes no difference to me if the Congressional testimony documented here was given by Michael Ledeen or by Ronald McDonald. He is a thoroughly discredited "expert" on anything related to the Middle East, and as such his opinions are suspect in my mind regardless of whether they are correct or not.

13 posted on 03/09/2006 12:50:27 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child; Ernest_at_the_Beach
To a very large degree I have to take AC's view on this. Quite frankly, I read nothing that has not been discussed over and over again for many years. His solution for regiem change is quite shallow. Unlike say NK, whom is very isolated, totally dependend on the world to feed it, Iran is very oil rich and not isolated. It is located geographically in an extremly strategic area. Iranian's are not going to attempt to take on the military and secret police. They like any dictatorship only take action after a strong liberator come in and crush the oppressing rulers and obedient military assets.
Sadly the EU need oil, and to varying degrees, say the Iranian pot to Germany may be around 15-20%. The Saudi, Nigerains, Sudan, Libya, South America cannot simply make up the raw supply of oil if Iran where to be shut down.
It just is not that easy. Oil/Gas demands are as we all know at a peak demand world wide. And the Iranians supply at least 10% to the world markets.
The world economies are fragil in nature, so much depending on the individual parts contributions.
And the only way to shut down Iran is to do one hell of a job on them. Literally take everything oil/gas related out.
It would have to be approved by the UN in the way of sanctions just like in Iraq's case. And we know where that leads. All key players other then Russia depend on oil importation to a great degree. And the Mullah know this.
At any rate. The articles brought up nothing new. At least for me. We simply rehash over again the same things.
And the military solution means pre-emptive total decimation of the Iranian infrastructure regarding oil/gas, which then brings up the issue, as how those supposed Iranians that like the US, for instance, will then feel.
For those that would suggest we totally take out Iran, e.g. nuke, and conventionally obliterate their populations centers, factories, in short everything above ground which has to include killing millions of people to destroy the industrial complex, then send in appropriate land forces to literally destroy all located in deep bunkers (NUKE PROOF), in conventianal means, presents a little problem as some might surmize.
14 posted on 03/09/2006 1:12:37 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Good post. Thanks!

I suspect that the phrase "regime change" has its origins in some inside-the-Beltway think tank . . . by over-educated quasi-Marxists from New York City who have never had real jobs in their lives and who would convert to Islam before they'd ever dream of putting on a military uniform.

15 posted on 03/09/2006 1:21:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If Americans really realized most of the tragic events against Americans state side and non state side has been the Iranians...they'd be be shocked...


16 posted on 03/09/2006 1:24:21 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: Alberta's Child
You might, therefore, endorse the Hitchens Approach. The elephant in the room, however, still remains the Messianic Mahmoud's Nuclear Vision. How does the world deal with nuclear weapons for one who views "Mutual Assured Destruction" as a ticket to paradise.
17 posted on 03/09/2006 1:28:45 PM PST by sono (Bill Clinton is looking for 25 interns to work at his library. Now what could go wrong here?)
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To: Marine_Uncle; Alberta's Child
Well, you guys need to see the video replay of the hearings, especially of Burns.....

With troops on each side of Iran, we are gonna put them in a headlock , stir up anything we can among their young folks,.... but not take the Military option off the table.

This isn't gonna make the Nuke em now till they glow ...crowd happy....

18 posted on 03/09/2006 1:28:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Alberta's Child

Like, Iraq, Iran's people would welcome the change in their leaders, however enough of the people would resent a foreign country doing it for them.


19 posted on 03/09/2006 1:30:36 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Alberta's Child

Your rather whimsical evaluation provides a moment of LOL, but as you wrote I am sure you realized regiem change has a rather long history. As for the think tanks, quite a few general officers grace their hallways and offices. And again, I do not rebut, because some of them have their heads up their butts.


20 posted on 03/09/2006 1:57:46 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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