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Orlando Sentinel ^ | March 5, 2006 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 03/05/2006 5:35:53 PM PST by RWR8189

It is easy to dislike David Irving and to wish him good riddance as the British writer/historian begins a three-year prison term in Austria for Holocaust denial.

The challenge in these ultra-sensitive times is to let him and others like him speak freely even as we cover our ears.

The latter option is the American way, a bit of grace we take for granted most days. In Austria, where it is illegal to deny the Holocaust, citizens also do not enjoy a First Amendment. Speak skeptically of certain histories there -- or in other countries where speech and thought are controlled -- and you may wind up in a prison cell.

Irving's sentence comes in the midst of another free speech spectacle -- the publication in Denmark and other European countries of several cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad deemed blasphemous by some Muslims.

Or more accurately, cartoons that were marketed as blasphemous by a few imams who bolstered their case by throwing in some other drawings, allegedly of Muhammad, that had nothing to do with the Danish newspaper that allegedly launched the Muslim world into warp-spasm.

Because I've urged American editors to publish the cartoons -- not to inflame or provoke, but to inform -- I've received several challenges to defend Irving or confess to a double standard. If freedom of expression means that some inevitably will choose to be insulted, then we must allow equal-opportunity offenders to poison the public well.

What's good for Muslims must also be good for Jews, or something like that.

I couldn't agree more and don't think David Irving belongs in jail for telling lies or inflaming passions. I think he deserves to be ignored. As a matter of record, however, the Austrian embassy has not been ringing me up for advice, nor have

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; cartoons; davidirving; denial; freespeech; hate; holocaust; holocaustdenial; irving

1 posted on 03/05/2006 5:35:56 PM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
If Irving did not want to get arrested for crimes in Austria, he should not have gone to Austria... especially after announcing it on his website. So much of this idiot's self destructive actions stem from his desire to provoke, blissfully unaware that sometime individuals and institutions push back.
2 posted on 03/05/2006 5:38:59 PM PST by JAWs (Ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed. Der er intet men.)
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To: RWR8189

As always, Kathleen Parker makes a lot of sense.


3 posted on 03/05/2006 5:40:40 PM PST by BW2221
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To: JAWs
So much of this idiot's self destructive actions stem from his desire to provoke, blissfully unaware that sometime individuals and institutions push back.

Perhaps even prison was part of his plan to gain notoriety.

It is impossible to resaonably deny the holocaust just as it is to deny WWII. To do so one must either be engaged in a publicity stunt or suffering from mental illness. In each case they should be ignored but the media won't.

When, as in this case, they purposely break the law, the law should accomodate them with arrest, trial, and punishment. Justice served.

4 posted on 03/05/2006 5:47:10 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Of course, but the question is what the law ought to be in the first place. And here I must insist on unabridged freedom of speech, such as sanctioned by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution, specified by the Clear and Present Danger Rule.

It's up the Austrians, to be sure. But the rest of us get to say they are wrong in this.

6 posted on 03/05/2006 6:10:59 PM PST by ProudNorseman
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

We still have a lot of whackos in this country that still deny we ever landed on the moon or assert that Desert Storm was actually "fought" at NTC rather in Iraq.


7 posted on 03/05/2006 6:13:07 PM PST by stm (It's possible to fix most things, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: damnruserious
I don't know the answer to all this but I'd like there to be some accountability on the behalf of those, like Noam Chomsky and other pinko, communist nihilists who teach our children lies. That freedom, unchecked by some mechanism, will destroy us.
8 posted on 03/05/2006 6:16:00 PM PST by Cornpone (Remember 11 Sept 2001 -- This generation's Peal Harbor, its Alamo, its battleship Maine.)
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To: Cornpone

The mechanism that checks liars and frauds in the marketplace of ideas is called TRUTH. And truth will out, no matter how loud a Chomsky yells or how many lefty pals of his put him on TV.

Free speech is far better left alone than 'checked' by any mechanism other than free speech.


9 posted on 03/05/2006 6:25:22 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: RWR8189
So this guy is a lunatic? So what?

I don't care what he happens to think - or what he says. He isn't inciting anyone to violence. I don't agree with the decision to throw him in prison. In the end, it will only provoke more anti-Semitism.

10 posted on 03/05/2006 6:47:23 PM PST by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: RWR8189
Colonel Klink is alive and well in Austria.

He has merely changed uniforms.

11 posted on 03/05/2006 7:03:07 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: LibertarianInExile
And truth will out

While that is true, it may take a long time to come out and in the meantime, terrible damage can be wrought.

12 posted on 03/05/2006 7:07:14 PM PST by expatpat
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To: RWR8189
Apparently all the Coulterphiles are watching the Oscars; that's why nobody's yelling "Rules! Rules!"

Nevertheless...

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13 posted on 03/05/2006 7:18:02 PM PST by decal (Whoever said you can't fool all the people all the time has never visited DU...)
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To: expatpat

"While that is true, [the truth] may take a long time to come out and in the meantime, terrible damage can be wrought."

Okay, shall I personally appoint a Kommisar to vet all media before any publication is allowed to prevent the possibility that any falsehoods will be disseminated and thus terrible damage be wrought? Or shall we simply suppress all news that might cause terrible damage?

I don't think either is realistic, and far more terrible damage will be done by suppressing free speech than any damage free speech might do.


14 posted on 03/05/2006 8:32:52 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: ProudNorseman
I tried to cover your point here.

t is impossible to reasonably deny the holocaust just as it is to deny WWII. To do so one must either be engaged in a publicity stunt or suffering from mental illness. In each case they should be ignored but the media won't.

However, the right to free speech guaranteed in the first amendment is not unabridged. We can be arrested for inciting a riot, yelling fire in a crowded theater, lying to a police officer, lying under oath in court, etc.

Also, as noted, this arrest happened in Austria where they are a little goosey from recent history.

15 posted on 03/05/2006 8:52:15 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Reactionary

I'm with you.


16 posted on 03/05/2006 11:36:25 PM PST by GSlob
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To: LibertarianInExile

Speech which clearly causes major damage is not acceptable -- in our Constitution or in a reasonable society -- and such speech is not free. Libertarians may want to free the individual from all restraints, but most of us do not.


17 posted on 03/06/2006 11:05:26 AM PST by expatpat
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To: damnruserious
I'd hate to live in a country where it's illegal to be wrong.

Dealt with the IRS much, lately? ;)

18 posted on 03/06/2006 11:08:09 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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