[goldstategop]

Jews are afraid of being wiped out. Only Israel stands in the way of another Holocaust, which is why the vast majority of Jews identify with and are so protective of the Jewish State. When I think of what happened to Ilan Halimi, I stop to think it could easily be me. It happened to Daniel Pearl. Given the breadth, depth and persistence of antisemitism, Jewish insecurity is a very real feeling and it doesn't just go away. That more than anything explains why Jews see the world very differently from other people.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[Question_Assumptions]

Sadly, an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel could reduce the population of Jews in the world by double-digit percentages. And that's why I expect any Israeli retaliation to be spactacular, massive, and deadly.

[KellyAdmirer]

It is true that Jewish population losses have been also due to assimilation, but this assimilation was itself overwhelmingly a result of persecution -- forced conversions, desire to lead a far safer life as part of the majority culture, etc.

There is some shaky logic in this article, and this is among the shakiest.

[rmlew]

There is another reason for our decline: lack of children.
Secular Ashkenazi Jews intermarry and even those who don't tend to have one or two children.

[lesser_satan]

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[son of caesar]

On this day, I feel you are incorrect. Jews are the ultimate pc people. It is easy to be pc when nobody is trying to nuke you, as in white America in general. It is another matter, as in the Jews who know that islam wants to nuke them, yet the majority seem unable to formulate a correct response, so they go pc. This not facing reality will indeed lay the foundation for another situation that I think we all would rather not see happen to the Jewish people. If Jews are targeted again, they can really thank their leftist American brethern. Thats how I see it.

[Christopher Lincoln]

I will take issue with a couple of points. That Jews in the time of Christ made up anywhere near a tenth of the population of the Roman Empire seems to me wildly unlikely. And I cannot agree that assimilation was "overwhelmingly" due to persecution; in fact falling away from Judaism seems if anything to have become more common when persecution ended.

Some people ask "If Christianity were a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you?" I wonder: if Judaism had been a crime in the sense that one got a trial for it, how many victims of the Holocaust could have been convicted? To name one, Anne Frank could not, at least on the evidence of her diary.

[nopardons]

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[Jim Noble]

Only Israel stands in the way of another Holocaust

I understand the feeling (I grew up in Brooklyn), but I don't believe it.

The Jews of Israel are in mortal danger. Gathering millions of Jews together in a small space, surrounded by bloodthirsty enemies, with technology capable of killing most of them in minutes abroad in the world is amazingly risky.

Whaat stands in the way of another Holocaust is the existence of the United States and the relocation of a large fraction of the surviving Ashkenazi population to it.

Making aliyah is admirable from a faith perspective, but it's also a little nutty.

And, BTW, many people I knew in Brooklyn were always looking for the next Hitler in Nixon, or Ford, or Reagan. A lot of them, I gather, are still spinning the gragger at the mention of Bush and Cheney.

Talk about stuck on stupid!

[jim_trent]

> Only Israel stands in the way of another Holocaust, which is why the vast majority of Jews identify with and are so protective of the Jewish State.

I question this statement. It seems to me that a large percentage of American Jews vote for people who want to destroy Israel (or at least turn the other way while others destroy Israel). I have not figured out why this is so.

I used to think they were primarily communists since a large percentage of them came from Russia, but most of those came here before communism was established (the number of German Jews who came here -- or were allowed to come here -- is small compared to the number of Russian Jews). Now I think their religion is "liberal" rather than Jewish. I just don't know why. Many of my relatives are east coast Jews and I just don't understand them.

[Sam Cree]

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[familyop]

I saw the revisionist remarks in this thread. Here's a link to a small part of the history of the world's continuing religious war against Judaism.

Spain

Add to that the fact that during the English Civil War, the few Puritan military leaders who didn't hate Judaism used Maranos (with their ostensible appearances of being Spanish Romans) as spies against the Cavaliers.

I don't why so many people of the most populous religion cry leftist victimology when historical truths are published, or why they prefer to further disseminate propaganda devised by the likes of the IHR and Stormfront. Hitler acted on the same kinds of lies about history. It seems that they would best admit wrongs of the past whenever the topic is mentioned. The wrongs of the past are a good reason for doing better things and living a more recent history that their grandchildren will be proud of.