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Explaining Jews, Part III: A Very Insecure People (Dennis Prager Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 06/21/06 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 02/20/2006 10:53:50 PM PST by goldstategop

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Jews are afraid of being wiped out. Only Israel stands in the way of another Holocaust, which is why the vast majority of Jews identify with and are so protective of the Jewish State. When I think of what happened to Ilan Halimi, I stop to think it could easily be me. It happened to Daniel Pearl. Given the breadth, depth and persistence of antisemitism, Jewish insecurity is a very real feeling and it doesn't just go away. That more than anything explains why Jews see the world very differently from other people.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

1 posted on 02/20/2006 10:53:52 PM PST by goldstategop
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Sadly, an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel could reduce the population of Jews in the world by double-digit percentages. And that's why I expect any Israeli retaliation to be spactacular, massive, and deadly.
2 posted on 02/20/2006 10:57:27 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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It is true that Jewish population losses have been also due to assimilation, but this assimilation was itself overwhelmingly a result of persecution -- forced conversions, desire to lead a far safer life as part of the majority culture, etc.

There is some shaky logic in this article, and this is among the shakiest.

3 posted on 02/20/2006 11:02:31 PM PST by KellyAdmirer
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Sentiments like this in the Muslim world is why I believe Israel is bound to act to do whatever it can to prevent Iran from consummating its nuclear ambitions:

The photo shows why Dennis Prager's involved explanation is really superfluous. A generation after the Holocaust there are people yes, who still want to erase Jews completely from the earth.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

4 posted on 02/20/2006 11:04:07 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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And that's why I expect any Israeli retaliation to be spactacular, massive, and deadly

Let's try this --> And that's why I expect any Israeli preemptive strike to be spectacular, massive, and deadly.
5 posted on 02/20/2006 11:05:14 PM PST by RedCell
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To: Question_Assumptions

Let's hope so.


6 posted on 02/20/2006 11:08:27 PM PST by bethtopaz ("You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you," Trotsky)
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Assimilation generally works except if you have a racist antisemite like Hitler come along who wants to murder every Jew regardless of whether they still are part of the Jewish people or not. The relentless persecution of Jews explains why some Jews leave the Jewish people - who wants to be part of a depised, hated and persecuted minority? What's remarkable is that most Jews have clung to their faith despite all the odds against them... that in itself is a testament to Jewish conviction their sufferings and hardships are part of God's plan to bring about a better world.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

7 posted on 02/20/2006 11:08:51 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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There is another reason for our decline: lack of children.
Secular Ashkenazi Jews intermarry and even those who don't tend to have one or two children.
8 posted on 02/20/2006 11:16:44 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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bump


9 posted on 02/20/2006 11:20:02 PM PST by lesser_satan
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Some Jews assimilated to avoid persecution.

I am not as knowledgeable about other parts of the world, but in Spain when Ferdinand and Isabela (around 1492) finally drove the Moors out of Spain, they insisted the Jews had to convert to Catholicism or also be expelled from the country. Both Moors and Jews left in large quantities which seriously hampered Spains intellectual development. Jews who stayed were labeled Conversos and not trusted. This was the time of the Spanish Inquisition, when large numbers of "heretics" were tried and burned at the stake.


10 posted on 02/20/2006 11:56:45 PM PST by gleeaikin (Question Authority)
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On this day, I feel you are incorrect. Jews are the ultimate pc people. It is easy to be pc when nobody is trying to nuke you, as in white America in general. It is another matter, as in the Jews who know that islam wants to nuke them, yet the majority seem unable to formulate a correct response, so they go pc. This not facing reality will indeed lay the foundation for another situation that I think we all would rather not see happen to the Jewish people. If Jews are targeted again, they can really thank their leftist American brethern. Thats how I see it.


11 posted on 02/20/2006 11:59:02 PM PST by son of caesar
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To: Question_Assumptions

Sampson option. There won't be much left of the mideast.


12 posted on 02/21/2006 12:01:17 AM PST by Lauretij2
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I will take issue with a couple of points. That Jews in the time of Christ made up anywhere near a tenth of the population of the Roman Empire seems to me wildly unlikely. And I cannot agree that assimilation was "overwhelmingly" due to persecution; in fact falling away from Judaism seems if anything to have become more common when persecution ended.

Some people ask "If Christianity were a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you?" I wonder: if Judaism had been a crime in the sense that one got a trial for it, how many victims of the Holocaust could have been convicted? To name one, Anne Frank could not, at least on the evidence of her diary.

13 posted on 02/21/2006 12:55:45 AM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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bttt


14 posted on 02/21/2006 1:05:07 AM PST by nopardons
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I wondered, years ago, if Israel shouldn't just carpet bomb Palestine and be done with it.

This story of the young Mr. Halimi is particularly disturbing in light of the French efforts to down-play just what was happening during their riots. Remember? It was just cars they were burning and only random, isolated violence against people in France. I wonder how many times acts of craven, unmerited violence REALLY happened????
15 posted on 02/21/2006 1:13:25 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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"Let's try this --> And that's why I expect any Israeli preemptive strike to be spectacular, massive, and deadly."

I'm hoping for that too. Israel should take the attitude of,"We'll get them before they can get us".


16 posted on 02/21/2006 2:55:03 AM PST by Mila
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"but in Spain when Ferdinand and Isabela (around 1492) finally drove the Moors out of Spain, they insisted the Jews had to convert to Catholicism or also be expelled from the country."

Later, in Portugal, it was convert or die.


17 posted on 02/21/2006 3:06:19 AM PST by Hannah Senesh
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Only Israel stands in the way of another Holocaust

I understand the feeling (I grew up in Brooklyn), but I don't believe it.

The Jews of Israel are in mortal danger. Gathering millions of Jews together in a small space, surrounded by bloodthirsty enemies, with technology capable of killing most of them in minutes abroad in the world is amazingly risky.

Whaat stands in the way of another Holocaust is the existence of the United States and the relocation of a large fraction of the surviving Ashkenazi population to it.

Making aliyah is admirable from a faith perspective, but it's also a little nutty.

And, BTW, many people I knew in Brooklyn were always looking for the next Hitler in Nixon, or Ford, or Reagan. A lot of them, I gather, are still spinning the gragger at the mention of Bush and Cheney.

Talk about stuck on stupid!

18 posted on 02/21/2006 3:27:05 AM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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> Only Israel stands in the way of another Holocaust, which is why the vast majority of Jews identify with and are so protective of the Jewish State.

I question this statement. It seems to me that a large percentage of American Jews vote for people who want to destroy Israel (or at least turn the other way while others destroy Israel). I have not figured out why this is so.

I used to think they were primarily communists since a large percentage of them came from Russia, but most of those came here before communism was established (the number of German Jews who came here -- or were allowed to come here -- is small compared to the number of Russian Jews). Now I think their religion is "liberal" rather than Jewish. I just don't know why. Many of my relatives are east coast Jews and I just don't understand them.


19 posted on 02/21/2006 5:43:16 AM PST by jim_trent
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20 posted on 02/21/2006 5:46:57 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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