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Twenty Years In Prison For Having Sex With His Wife
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/feb06/06-02-08.html ^ | 2 8 06 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 02/09/2006 5:31:44 AM PST by freepatriot32

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To: chris1

I haven't bothered to look at your website but I take your word for who you are. I know quite a few like you myself. Your problem is just like that of the "peaceful Muslims", you don't seem able to police your own and the bad ones get all the publicity. It's the old good news is not news story. I also know a few of the ambulance chasers, too.

Some greedy trial lawyers, I don't mean to imply that is what all of them are, are in cahoots with and are used by the Democrats to enforce a political agenda. That is where much of the perception problem arises.

I also used to do some investigation for insurance companies investigating primarily high-dollar disability claims and some workers comp stuff. The bad lawyers I encountered fell into basically two groups. Those who went for the big bucks depending on a sympathetic jury and those who went after lots of small dollar cases that the insurance companies would generally pay rather than contest.

I have seen and experienced both sides. Once again, hooray for you for being who you are.


141 posted on 02/09/2006 8:49:24 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Fawn
I think he did rape her. He found out about her being pregnant/new boyfriend.......he got mad after she refused his advances......and forced himself on her.

That doesn't speak well for her character, or her credibility, if true.

142 posted on 02/09/2006 8:50:35 AM PST by gogeo
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To: Tokra

Yea, I know Detroit et al keeps outvoting you, just like Philadelphia et al does for PA, Portland et al for OR, Seattle et al for WA, but IL and NY are liberal everywhere!


143 posted on 02/09/2006 8:52:48 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I do collection work for small businesses. I don't make big dollar pay days. I try to get payment for people who provided services but were not paid.

I am sick of lawyer jokes knowing the work I put in to get some satisfaction for hard working businesspeople who get screwed by deadbeats.


144 posted on 02/09/2006 8:56:31 AM PST by chris1
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Until the Supreme Court addresses this issue, it is still up in the air, as far as I'm concerned.


145 posted on 02/09/2006 8:58:33 AM PST by Binkmeister (A little knowledge is a dangerous thing)
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To: freepatriot32
I don't have any relevant information to add here. However, I think that if the sentenced man knew that he was having marital problems, he should not have engaged in sexual relations with his wife under any circumstances. This is a case of very poor judgment on the husband's part. When you ask for trouble, sometimes that is exactly what you get and must accept responsibility for your actions. Being married doesn't give anyone any special sexual rights. Sorry.
146 posted on 02/09/2006 8:59:46 AM PST by Migjagger
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To: Binkmeister

Okay, but I wouldn't bet on the court throwing thousands or potentially tens of thousands of sentences onto the pyre.


147 posted on 02/09/2006 9:02:19 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: freepatriot32

I used to have a truly nutcase feminist girlfriend who would have loved this. She also believed that consensual sex could later be reinterpreted as rape if the woman decided that she had somehow been emotionally manipulated into having sex. In other words, if the man seduced her, or if the situation was anything other than the woman initiating and driving the process from start to finish, it could be interpreted as rape. The endgame for feminists is that they would like women to be able to have men incarcerated solely on their word, and without the need to provide any evidence whatsoever. I now consider myself fortunate that my ex-girlfriend steadfastly refused to put out.


148 posted on 02/09/2006 9:03:11 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Ma3lst0rm

"I agree entirely. Sometimes I wish hell would open up and suck all the lawyers and judges in especially the ones involved in this case."

IMO, when hell opens up it belches forth new trial lawyers...


149 posted on 02/09/2006 9:06:44 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: mkjessup

"Throw her ass in prison too, and strip her of custody."

His daughters are adults now. It's been twenty years. It's too late for him to ever have a relationship with his kids. The damage is done. Even if he is released now his life has been ruined.


150 posted on 02/09/2006 9:07:26 AM PST by monday
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To: The Red Zone
"We should also be outraged, however, if the charges are being misrepresented here. She might have gotten a "keep away" court order on him before this happened,"

According to the article: "The rape charge was prosecuted simultaneously with the custody case, and the divorce court had frozen all Hetherington's assets so he had no money to hire a lawyer or make bond. Nevertheless, the criminal court ruled that he was not indigent and refused to provide him with a lawyer."

If this is true, thats all anyone needs to know about this case to know that he didn't get a fair trial. That you would try to defend this miscarriage of justice with idle speculations like "She might have gotten a "keep away" court order on him before this happened.." is just repulsive.

BTW it's termed a "restraining order". If you have facts lets hear them. If not, your insipid musings only make you appear to support unjust incarceration of husbands if they dare to fight for custody of their children. Do you?
151 posted on 02/09/2006 9:21:18 AM PST by monday
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To: Senator Bedfellow

I have no idea how many cases would be affected by retro application. I do know this: if it is unconstitutional for a judge to make the fact finding that enhances a sentence without that fact having been found to be true by agreement of 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt, it casts great doubt on that sentence. What the law would be saying, in effect, is it is alright to deprive someone of his Constitutional right to a jury trial provided that you deprived him of that right long ago and it's ok to let him suffer forever under that unfair and unjust sentence. It just doesn't sit right. But, I must admit, I haven't reviewed the sentencing transcript and I don't know how the Court reached that lengthy sentence. It might comply with all Constitutional guidelines and rules. But, I have seen murderers go free in far less time. I have also seen many guilty never charged or charged less than the crimes warranted. This one seems on the surface to be harsh. One should not forget that the Supreme Court recently upheld a case here in California where a guy got 25 yrs for 3 golf clubs valued at $1100, with two prior strikes for theft, fraud type crimes. But, that did not violate Apprendi, nor the 8th Amendment.


152 posted on 02/09/2006 9:21:49 AM PST by Binkmeister (A little knowledge is a dangerous thing)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

"Wonderful, but this guy's a nobody."

Not if you are a up-and-coming prosecutor trying to impress the local NOW gang. I'll bet he made his bones on this case. Remember, 20 years ago the NAGS were a force to be reckoned with and used to advantage. Not so now, fortunately!


153 posted on 02/09/2006 9:29:04 AM PST by lawdude (2006 Republican bumper sticker : Vote Republican: We are NOT democrats!)
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To: Hoodlum91
"The most damning appears to be tape marks on the victims face."

Which is no evidence as far as I am concerned. Some people have kinky sex, and as kinks go, gags are pretty tame, but having tape marks on her face doesn't prove anything.

It would be beyond simple for her to tape her own face. It doesn't hurt. If thats all it takes to prove rape then any man who has a dispute with a woman is in imminent peril of an unjust rape conviction.
154 posted on 02/09/2006 9:35:11 AM PST by monday
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To: Mercat
Thank God that sometimes there IS justice.

I won sole custody and decision making for my son after four and a half years of pro se litigation. Man, I never want to go throught that again!

Wrote a short e-book on how I did it, too. Website's still under development but ought to be finished soon.

Living well really is the best revenge!
155 posted on 02/09/2006 9:44:10 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: Binkmeister
The question is whether Apprendi is simply a new procedural rule, which it appears to be, in which case it's long been the law that it need not apply retroactively.

The issue I have here is not with the justice or injustice of the sentence, it's the fact that every time I try to do a little digging on this article, it turns out that the article is blatantly misrepresenting the facts of the case. That makes me real suspicious about the parts that I haven't done any digging on.

156 posted on 02/09/2006 9:44:52 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: freepatriot32

Agree wholeheartedly.

This case is an obscenity.


157 posted on 02/09/2006 9:46:04 AM PST by sauropod ("Here Lies Joe Biden, Buried Under His Own Words.")
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To: Senator Bedfellow

"The issue I have here is not with the justice or injustice of the sentence, it's the fact that every time I try to do a little digging on this article, it turns out that the article is blatantly misrepresenting the facts of the case."

Really? You have examples I presume?


158 posted on 02/09/2006 9:55:30 AM PST by monday
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To: freepatriot32
"Almost everyone who reads the record of what happened to William Hetherington concludes that he was unjustly accused, unjustly convicted, unjustly sentenced, unjustly denied his due process and appeal rights, unjustly denied a new trial based on physical evidence of inaccurate testimony by government witnesses, and unjustly denied parole."

That this can happen in America just underscores the fact of the evil spirit that has crept into our country since God has been legislated out.

159 posted on 02/09/2006 10:02:17 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Mighty Eighth

Do you really think that positing the idea that a husband is allowed to force himself sexually on his wife because the bible says the man is the head of the household is portraying Christianity in the best of lights?


160 posted on 02/09/2006 10:13:52 AM PST by gingerky
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