Islamic prayers could be illegal under new laws

The Age (Melbourne) ^ | 6th February 2006 | Barney Zwartz

[omega4412]

And the prayer General Patton had his chaplain write:

Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies, and establish Thy justice among men and nations. Amen.

[Gritty]

"If one person in a mosque says something outrageous in support of terrorism, these laws allow the government to close down the entire mosque"

It looks like Murder Central is going to take a few hits down Australia way!

[ichabod_65]

Honey, pack the bags we're moving to Australia where the have a spine.

[RightWhale]

Muslim leaders did not know what they could say until they saw how the laws were used.

Of course they would not know if 'Death to America' or Death to Israel' were legal to say. How could anybody find anything wrong with that?

[zimdog]

But I've gotta admit, the Spanish Inquisition had the best approach: Muslims were either burned at the stake, forced to return to Northern Africa, or forced to convert to Christianity. If you "converted" but were later caught praying to Mecca, you were automatically burned at the stake. In order to keep an eye on muslims who claimed they had converted, ex-muzzies were made to keep the doors of their homes open on Fridays so the authorities, or anyone else with an interest, could see inside and make sure the inhabitants weren't secretly worshipping Allah.

The Spanish Inqusition did the same thing to Spain's Jews, at the same time, in the same place, for the same reason.

Is it still the "best approach?"

[LibWhacker]

If Jews were lunatic suicide bombers, you're damn right it would be the best approach! 'Course muslim lunatics weren't blowing themselves up in Medieval Spain, but they were knifing innocent men, women and children in their beds.

[zimdog]

The Inquisition did not punish murderers for "knifing innocent men, women and children in their beds". It burned people at the stake for being Muslim. That's all.

When praying towards Mecca on a Friday -- in and of itself -- kills someone, then we can talk. Until then, the killing people whose religious faith does not meet the state's standard remains what it always has been: murder.

[LibWhacker]

The Inquisition did not punish murderers for "knifing innocent men, women and children in their beds". It burned people at the stake for being Muslim.

There's a difference?

C'mon... Don't be silly, praying towards Mecca doesn't kill people. It's all the other murderous activities (like chopping heads, raping babies and throwing them into boiling water) which the typical muj loves to do and teaches his demonic spawn to worship, that kill people. They've been at it for 1,400 years. But now they've run into the big boys, and it's going to stop.

BTW, the Jews were an afterthought; if it hadn't been for the beastly behavior of the ordinary depraved Moor, against which Spain naturally had to defend itself, there never would've been an Inquistion.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Western governments traditionally don't get involved with the content of prayers in houses of worship.

[HiTech RedNeck]

the Jews were an afterthought

Ahem?!?

[LibWhacker]

Well, yes (address me directly, please). The Inquisition came at the end of a bitter, constant, centuries' long reconquista. It was during that reconquista that much of Europe, not just Spain, came to the conclusion that social harmony could only be had if there was religious conformity in society. Thus, Jews and wayward Christians were indeed persecuted as an afterthought because of the war Spain had fought and nearly lost against the Moors.

[zimdog]

To your 1st paragraph:

Don't insult FReepers' intelligence

To your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs:

I expect you consider yourself a "Right-Thinking American," willing and able to speak on behalf of the people of this great country. However, you dismiss the forced conversion, expulsion and murder of Spain's Jews as "an afterthought" of the Reconquista, even though it happened a decade before the Moors were expelled.

So you're denying history and downplaying the murder of Jews. Sounds more like Ahmadinejad than American.

If your thoughts turn into reality and America becomes proudly moslemsrein (after all, you freely admitted that "the Spanish Inqusition had the best approach"), will you pusue Ferdinand and Isabella's "afterthoughts" of a judenrein nation as well?

[nuconvert]

part of the nukem all crowd. so what else is new?

[zimdog]

I've been away for awhile. Just my way of saying "hi"

[nuconvert]

"Hi" back at ya!

BTW - You know very well that if we just killed everyone we didn't like, the world would be a better place. ;~ )

[zimdog]

I'm never more sure than when I come across postings from the "nuke Mecca" crowd. ;)

[LibWhacker]

...even though it happened a decade before the Moors were expelled.

Do you have any idea how long the reconquista lasted? Do they teach that at the madrassa? Try 774 years. The Inquistion itself was an afterthought.

I'm not downplaying anything. What happened to Jews and Christian "heretics" during the Inquistion was disgusting.

[zimdog]

Do you have any idea how long the Inquisition lasted? Do they teach that at the madrassa? That's one long "afterthought" and while your intellectual comrades were thinking up new ways to burn the stain of Christ's death from Spain's Jews, 200,000 of them left the country -- most to the Ottoman Empire or the Muslim kingdoms of North Africa.

In fact, Jews were illegal in Spain until 1858. You read that right: illegal. Punishible by death.

You might be able to sweep 340+ years of killing Jews under the rug, but the rest of this forum knows where your true sympathies lie. Once you take care of the "Friday people", killing the "Saturday people" isn't far away. Like you said, after a long and bitter struggle against Muslims, uprooting and murdering hundreds of thousands of Jews isn't too big of a moral leap to make.

[LibWhacker]

Lol, you're the one who said "it happened a decade before the Moors were expelled," not me. Listen, it's been fun schooling you, but I can't waste my time correcting every ignorant belief your muj teachers pounded into your head. Go read some history. Not at the madrassa.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"The Inquisition did not punish murderers for "knifing innocent men, women and children in their beds". It burned people at the stake for being Muslim. That's all."

The purpose of the Inquisition was to end religious diversity in Ferdinand's Spain, it persecuted both Muslims and Jews with equal ferocity.

Ironically, Moorish Spain became a safe haven for Spanish Jews fleeing persecution.

"...the Jews were an afterthought..."

Hardly, they were the primary target of the Inquisition. Over 200,000 Jews were eventually expelled, many of whom fled to Turkey or North Africa, and tens of thousands died during the expulsion. The expulsion from Spain led to the creation of the Sephardic Jewish community, and was viewed as such a betrayal that Sephardic Jews were forbidden by tradition from ever resettling in Spain.

There were no Jews left in Spain.

"When praying towards Mecca on a Friday -- in and of itself -- kills someone, then we can talk. Until then, the killing people whose religious faith does not meet the state's standard remains what it always has been: murder."

Well said.