Hamas to gain control of sec. forces [Terrorist State is Born]

JERUSALEM POST ^ | Feb. 4, 2006 | AP

[Sabramerican]

Hamas to gain control of sec. forces Associated Press, THE JERUSALEM POST Feb. 4, 2006

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has agreed that the Hamas will take control of Palestinian security forces after it assumes power, a Hamas leader said Saturday after the group's first meeting with Abbas since routing his Fatah Party in elections.

Abbas met with Hamas leaders Saturday evening for the first time since their victory in the Palestinian elections in late January.

"There is no truth to baseless reports that President Abbas wants to take over the security institutions," Ismail Haniyeh said after the meeting concluded.

Abbas has not said he wanted to retain control over the police, but other senior Fatah officials have said that Fatah-dominated security forces wouldn't submit to Hamas control. Israel's Channel 1 TV reported Saturday that Abbas did seek to retain control of Palestinian police in his meeting with Hamas leaders.

The Hamas leaders also said in a news conference after the meeting that Abbas didn't demand that Hamas recognize Israel or honor Palestinian Authority agreements with Israel as a condition for being charged with forming a government. Abbas "did not pose any political conditions related to the agreements, or to anything else," Haniyeh said.

Asked if Hamas, which calls for Israel's destruction, would honor the deals with Israel, he replied, "The Israeli occupation has to recognize our legitimate rights first."

Talks with Israel, he added, "are not on our agenda."

As for recognizing Israel, another Hamas leader, Mahmoud Zahar said, "We are not going to recognize the Israeli enemy."

The new, Hamas-dominated parliament will convene on February 16, Haniyeh said.

With Saturday's meeting, unofficial consultations on forming a new government have begun, Haniyeh said. After parliament meets February 16, Hamas will nominate a prime minister and submit that name to Abbas, who would then charge the nominee with forming a government, he added.

Zahar predicted a government would be formed by the end of February.

Abbas, who wants to restart peace talks with Israel, was elected separately last year and now must work out a power-sharing arrangement with the Islamic group, which is sworn to Israel's destruction.

Hamas, a novice to national politics, has invited Fatah to join a governing coalition, but hasn't received an official answer, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said earlier in the day. In the past, senior Fatah officials have said the party, which dominated Palestinian politics for four decades, would not agree to take a junior role in a Hamas-led government.

An alliance with Fatah would allow Hamas to sidestep dealings with Israel, which the Palestinians cannot avoid entirely, if only for economic reasons. Palestinian infrastructure is heavily intertwined with Israel's, and most Palestinian imports pass through Israeli-controlled borders.

But Fatah, defeated by voters fed up with corruption and lawlessness on Palestinian streets, could be well served by letting the inexperienced Hamas grapple solo with the Palestinians' many challenges, most prominently, relations with Israel and an impoverished economy.

[Sabramerican]

For the last several years the US has supported and armed these same security forces- and even forced Israel to arm them- on the pretense that they will fight terrorists.

Now, OFFICIALLY, they will be the terrorist.

Spreading Democracy.

[Tzimisce]

I don't know about you, but I plan to celebrate by shooting, burning and generally rampaging against those who do not celebrate the glory of Allah.

[Domangart]

At last there is some truth.

[zeugma]

Now, OFFICIALLY, they will be the terrorist.

I really don't expect anything else. For more than 50 years now, these people have been fed hothing but a constant diet of hatred. Eventually, Isreal is going to have no choice but kill most of them if it wants to survive.

[mewzilla]

What do they plan on paying them with?

[Sabramerican]

Virgins?

[madison10]

At least now we have a definite target for the daisy cutters. Hamas: Simplifying life one country at a time.

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[familyop]

When Will We Learn?
Thoughts on the Hamas victory in the Palestinian elections
By Levi Brackman
Sunday, February 5, 2006 - Shvat 7, 5766
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=354463

[Sabramerican]

Could someone explain something to me?

US policy for the the past several years was to train and support the PA security forces because they will "eventually" fight the terrorists. Meanwhile Israel was pressured to do all sort of things to help them including releasing terrorists.

They never did fight the terrorists.

Noe officially, the PA security and the terrorists will be one.

This is a monumental failure of American policy. The US has helped birth a terrorist State run by Al Quida older brothers.

My question: why does a Hilllary smirk get 300 times the amount of posts in response?

[Sabramerican]

typo: Now officially

Can't say it enough. Even if in an excuse to fix a typo.

Now officially, the PA, supported by the US, are the terrorists.

[SJackson]

My question: why does a Hilllary smirk get 300 times the amount of posts in response?

Because she kissed Suha. Besides, we don't really arm the palestinians, do we?

American rifle given to Arabs by Clinton and Rabin which
was used to murder 2 Jews on Rosh Hashana night 5764!

	Islamic Jihad terrorist with a (United States built) Colt M-16, this is an old surplus U.S. military rifle.
	Arab Terrorist with a new (United States built) Colt M-4 short barrel 5.56 rifle. This is a new rifle, maybe 3 years old, standard issue to U.S. Special Forces and other special groups.
	Terrorist with a (United States built) Colt M-16A2 rifle. This is a standard issue rifle, used by all U.S. ground forces.
	Arab boys with (United States built) Colt M-16A1 rifles. These are the old surplus rifles which were issued to all U.S. ground forces.
	Another terrorist with a (United States built) Colt M-16A1, this is also an old surplus U.S. model.
	Arab boy, next generation of murders in training holding a (United States built) Colt M-16 which was stolen (as this is an Israeli Army custom model) rifle.
	Suicide Bomber who murdered Jews on a bus in November 2001, holding a (United States built) Colt M-4 rifle & Koran.
	Suicide Bomber who murdered Jews on a bus in March 2002, holding a (United States built) Colt M-4 rifle.
	Head of the Hamas Terror Group with a (United States built) Colt M-4 rifle next to him.
	Head of the Hamas Terror Group and his body guard holding a (United States built) Colt M-4 rifle.
	M-16. M-4, Uzi, all rifles the Arabs should NOT have!!

"At the outbreak of the conflict in September 2000, Palestinians fought primarily with those weapons permitted by the Oslo accords: Kalashnikov and M-16 assault rifles, pistols, and a few jeep-mounted .50 caliber machine guns. Over time, however, and especially by Weaponization of the Israeli-Palestinian Peace Process early 2002, Palestinian police and security troops-as well as armed militias-increasingly employed Katyusha rockets, mortars, anti-tank land mines, and Kassam-2 surface-to-surface rockets against the Israeli army and civilians."--Brown Journal of World Affairs p. 294 JEFFREY BOUTWELL "Weaponization of the Israeli-Palestinian Peace Process."

 

[dr_who_2]

ANOTHER terrorist state is born. Actually, that's not true either. They only succeeded Arafat's terrorist-kleptocrat alliance. Only now, Hamas is officially in control.

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[sageb1]

[csmusaret]

As if Fattah was any better.

[SevenofNine]

You know what you are right US would force Israel to arm them I just hope Prsident Logan err I mean President Olmhet said NO to Dubya on this one but I doubt it he is too much of a p***y

[SevenofNine]

Is me or what is that one little boy wearing GREEN BAY PACKER cap OMG LOL!

[tomahawk]

How long before Olmert capitulates?

[dervish]

"Now officially, the PA security and the terrorists will be one."

They always were one. And to Pres Bush's credit he recognized this under Arafat and cut him off. It was Clinton and the CIA's mistake arming the PA.

But Pres Bush wrongly gave Abbas a shot and of course nothing had changed. Reinventing the mistake. Abbas also incorporated armed terrorist thugs into the security forces. This is nothing new. In Gaza Dahlan's security forces were mafiosa.

What then is the point of elections and democracy? As Krauthammer said -

But they just held the most open and honest exercise of democracy in Palestinian history. The Palestinian people chose. However much they love victimhood, they are not victims here. They are actors. And historical actors have to take responsibility.

They want blood and death and romance? They will get nothing. They choose peace and coexistence? Then, as President Bush pledged in June 2002, they will get everything: world recognition, financial assistance, their own state with independence and dignity.

'snip'

The essential first lesson of any newborn democracy is that national choices have national consequences. A Hamas-led Palestine, cut off entirely, will be forced to entertain second thoughts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/02/AR2006020201579.html

Now let's just hope the US sticks to this. Europe is almost a foregone conclusion.