We don't disagree on that. We're probably talking about a chicken vs. egg problem, but I think that if these people have a choice between a legal and an illegal way to get here, the vast majority will choose legal.
The real way I think we can get the problem under control is to make the employers responsible. They also need to have a choice between legal and illegal employees, not a choice between illegal ones or none at all.
And it will be easier to control the borders if we're trying to stop a trickle, not a flood.
We don't disagree on that. We're probably talking about a chicken vs. egg problem, but I think that if these people have a choice between a legal and an illegal way to get here, the vast majority will choose legal.
We disagree where you said at #69 that we have no choice but to offer some form of legal status to illegals. We do indeed have a choice not to, and it's the right choice. If guest-worker status is made available only to people who apply in their home countries, that would greatly reduce the incentive to come here illegally. As you said, they'd have a choice between coming here legally and illegally, and coming here illegally would be the made the less palatable choice.