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To: speekinout
[But we're not going to get the border under control if we keep holding out the possibility of rewards for people who cross it illegally.]

We don't disagree on that. We're probably talking about a chicken vs. egg problem, but I think that if these people have a choice between a legal and an illegal way to get here, the vast majority will choose legal.

We disagree where you said at #69 that we have no choice but to offer some form of legal status to illegals. We do indeed have a choice not to, and it's the right choice. If guest-worker status is made available only to people who apply in their home countries, that would greatly reduce the incentive to come here illegally. As you said, they'd have a choice between coming here legally and illegally, and coming here illegally would be the made the less palatable choice.

72 posted on 02/05/2006 2:46:10 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: inquest
We disagree where you said at #69 that we have no choice but to offer some form of legal status to illegals. We do indeed have a choice not to, and it's the right choice.

I don't believe that we do have a choice when it comes to the people who are already here illegally. The vast majority of them are working at jobs where they are needed, and they can't be replaced overnight.
The only way we can find out who they are and where they are is to make the employers report them. Employers won't do that if they risk their businesses by doing so.
I don't think there's any way even a giant bureaucracy can find many of them unless the employers cooperate.

I can see options like giving currently illegal workers a limit of something like 3 years, then making them go back to their home country to reapply. That would give both the workers and the employers time to plan for a change.
I think the goal should be to make sure that everyone who is here has some legal status, so we know who they are and where they are. Driving the illegals farther underground is a terrible option.

73 posted on 02/05/2006 4:50:10 PM PST by speekinout
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