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Does Bush Doctrine lead to Islamism? [US needs to talk to Hamas]
Pittsurghlive ^ | January 28, 2006 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 01/29/2006 6:40:24 AM PST by SJackson

The neoconservatives who dreamed up the Bush Doctrine -- promoting "democracy" would be the U.S. mission in the Middle East -- may be about to hold yet another "Seconds Thoughts" conference.

Certainly, Israel must be having second thoughts on the folly of having yielded to U.S. pressure and allowed Hamas to participate in elections. For Hamas, which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and employs suicide-bomb attacks on civilians, has just won a sweeping political and moral victory in Palestine.

Freedom and democracy are on the march, says President Bush. Perhaps. But there is no doubt Islamism is on the march.

Not only is Hamas now the voice of Palestinian nationalism, Hezbollah used elections to establish itself as the political power in south Lebanon. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood swept over half the parliamentary seats it was allowed to contest and appears the probable beneficiary to the political estate of President Mubarak.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: bitterpaleos; bushdoctrine; hamas; paelection; patbuchanan; pjb
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1 posted on 01/29/2006 6:40:25 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

PB is an idiot.


2 posted on 01/29/2006 6:40:59 AM PST by SampleMan
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From the moralist who stands with Islam against Hollywood and Hillary. And Bush and Israel.

"So, how do we advance the cause of female emancipation in the Muslim world?" asks Richard Perle in "An End to Evil." He replies, "We need to remind the women of Islam ceaselessly: Our enemies are the same as theirs; our victory will be theirs as well."

Well, the neoconservative cause "of female emancipation in the Muslim world" was probably set back a bit by the photo shoot of Pfc. Lynndie England and the "Girls Gone Wild" of Abu Ghraib prison.

Indeed, the filmed orgies among U.S. military police outside the cells of Iraqi prisoners, the S&M humiliation of Muslim men, the sexual torment of their women raise a question. Exactly what are the "values" the West has to teach the Islamic world?

What some of us view as the moral descent of a great and Godly republic into imperial decadence, neocons see as their big chance to rule the world.

conservatives reject the "equality" preached by Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, NARAL and the National Organization for Women, why seek to impose it on the Islamic world? Why not stand beside Islam, and against Hollywood and Hillary?Buchanan Asks, "What Do We Offer the World?"


3 posted on 01/29/2006 6:41:48 AM PST by SJackson (elected members of Hamas: businesspeople, professionals, not terrorists. Scott McClellan)
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I think sign language will do, middle finger up, then NO SOUP FOR YOU!


4 posted on 01/29/2006 6:43:25 AM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: SampleMan
What's idiotic about this:
For Israel, it is an uncomplicated question. Both the "peace process" and the "roadmap," agreed to by the European Union, United Nations, Russia and the United States, have long been, as Sharon aide Dov Weinglass put it, in "formaldehyde."
Has Pat joined the "Amen Corner"?

ML/NJ

5 posted on 01/29/2006 6:45:44 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: SJackson

More insular isolationism from Buchanan.


6 posted on 01/29/2006 6:46:14 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: SJackson

Islamism was the status quo in Palestine. Things are just now defined.


7 posted on 01/29/2006 6:48:31 AM PST by Tribune7
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Not isolationism. Just a difference of opinion on who our friends are. Note his last line.

Whether Israel talks to these folks, or slams the door in their faces, is her call. But if we do not wish to be as isolated, we have to talk to them. For, in the Middle East, time does not appear to be on our side.

8 posted on 01/29/2006 6:51:28 AM PST by SJackson (elected members of Hamas: businesspeople, professionals, not terrorists. Scott McClellan)
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To: atomicpossum
More insular isolationism from Buchanan.

Yep. He's completely ignoring the fact that Iran has been working towards a bomb since shortly after the overthrow of the Shah in '79. It has nothing to do with the "Bush Doctrine".

9 posted on 01/29/2006 6:51:41 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: SJackson
The neoconservatives...

LOL! I LOVE it when you can get the entire drift of an article within the first two words...

We owe a debt to Liberals...they are so one dimensional and transparent that you can finish an entire rant for them after hearing their first two words!

10 posted on 01/29/2006 6:51:52 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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Are we sure PB wasn't campaigning for Hamas?


11 posted on 01/29/2006 6:52:50 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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By the way...I am aware of who and what Buchanan is...the point is he is taking on the hallmarks of moonbat liberals.


12 posted on 01/29/2006 6:54:10 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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Pat makes good points, particularly the population projections (look at the ones in France!). Pat has no answers for the problem. He seems to imply that the US needs to negotiate with Islamic radicals. NO, NO and NO.

The alternative to elections is corrupt regimes like Arafat and Saddam. Elections may elect Hamas this time, but Hamas may go out of favor if they cannot deliver--any they won't deliver anything but violence.

Elections do give the people a voice, however misguided that may be. Leaders need the support of the people to make peace, and until the Palestinians elect a leader that wants peace. Peace will be only a dream.
13 posted on 01/29/2006 6:55:26 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: SJackson

I'm afraid Mr. Buchanan is getting old and senile. apparently he has no recollection of 9/11!!!


14 posted on 01/29/2006 6:55:35 AM PST by KenmcG414 (wHAT'ST)
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To: SJackson

Bush can talk to Hamas allm right.

"No money till you clean up your act...aoh, ahhhm telling my friends to tell you the same...CLICK"


15 posted on 01/29/2006 6:56:04 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Tribune7
Islamism was the status quo in Palestine. Things are just now defined.

Correct, the election just confirmed the reality on the ground. What is important now is that no credible nation can stand by without facing up to the issues.

16 posted on 01/29/2006 6:56:36 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: SJackson
the Bush Doctrine -- promoting "democracy" would be the U.S. mission in the Middle East

Pat, Pat, Pat. You're a great guy, and truly one of America's political "characters." But you're also erudite enough to remember that the Bush Doctrine is that America will pursue terrorists wherever they live, hide, and breed, and that we will make no distinction between the terrorists and the nations that harbor them. There's no mention in there about "promoting democracy in the Middle East" as part of our mission.

17 posted on 01/29/2006 7:12:16 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Tribune7

"things are just now defined."

bingo!


18 posted on 01/29/2006 7:12:19 AM PST by avital2
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To: SJackson

Islam leads to Islam. Hamas winning the elections may not be as bad as we think. Now Hamas has to prove that it is civilized. Instead Hamas will show the world the true face of Islam and why not only the West needs to fear and defend against it, but that the rest of the world needs join in on the fight for survival as well.


19 posted on 01/29/2006 7:15:35 AM PST by Chgogal (When you have the chance to climb the mountain, do so. You never know what truths you will find.)
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Does Bush Doctrine lead to Islamism?....

No.....islam is what it is. They have been doing the same thing for 1400 years...using terror and murder to spread their toxic "religion" and culture. Bush didn't have anything to do with it. The same lunatics have been in charge of islam since the beginning...it must be this way, lest islam collapse. The use of murder, terror and control are the only way that islam plods on.

Take out the imams, mullas and iayatollas.....islam will fade away like poison ivy sprayed with a weed killer.

20 posted on 01/29/2006 7:24:05 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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