Bush says guest workers could not stay

The Washington Times ^ | 1-24-06 | Stephen Dinan

[Stellar Dendrite]

"I'm very sorry to say it, but I do not trust anything Bush says on this issue. He no longer has any credibility on illegal aliens, immigration or amnesty."


zero, zilch, zip, nada......

[HonestConservative]

I very much regret having to agree with you.

His stance on this issue is also eating away at his overall performance numbers, although the MSM tries to blame it on Iraq and other so called scandals.

[Ben Ficklin]

By making your point about nuetering and family reunification and how that applies to Bush's Guest worker plan, you are overlooking the fact that those would apply to all guest worker programs including Tancredo's or Kyl-Cornyn.

On the other hand, under McCain Kennedy, 20 million(or 11 million) would be put on the path to citizenship and all that come behind them under the H5A visa would would have that potential of re-unification.

[Itzlzha]

We might as well accept that those who are now here are going to stay. So let's get started integrating them into our society (schooling for the kids and all). That's just the fact, not an expression of approval.

That's nice...except that they DON'T WANT TO INTEGRATE!

Check into "Bi-Lingual" edjumikashun, and see what a scam it is, and who is profiting and who is losing!

Oh, and call all the Immigrants who came here legally "SUCKERS!" Because why did they have to pay BIG $$$ and jump thru hoops when all they had to do was wait till folks like you surrendered American Sovereignty to them!

Where is anyone going to get the police manpower to locate and round up 1,000,000 illegal Chinese (total), and who is going to buy a million airline tickets for them to go back to China?

Well, if we stopped SUBSIDIZING them and heavily fined the Businesses that hired/exploited them, they would voluntarily leave....see STARVATION and HOMELESSNESS are strong incentives.

Oh, and ever heard of a "Slow Boat to China"? Hell, they sneak onboard Cargo carriers to get here, they can take them back home!

Where is anyone going to get the police manpower to locate and round up 5-10 million hispanics? And how many buses is it going to take to send them home, and who pays for 10 million bus tickets? Even if they were already lined up at the terminals, it would be next to impossible.

Wow...disgronifier time...

Where is anyone going to get the police manpower to locate and round up 5-10 million hispanics Murderers/Rapists/Robbers?

So, I guess we should just buy them all HOUSES then!

You OBL types crack me up! Who CARES what it costs, it's called AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY, and it's worth ANY price!

Build the DAMN wall, and send each and every ILLEGAL INFILTRATOR we find home forcibly! Stop making it more economical and desirable to be here ILLEGALLY, and they will leave...as long as we "encourage" them with raids and ejections!

So politicians will get a lot of mileage out of being "indignant" about illegal immigration; but the place to stop illegals is AT THE BORDER. Once they're past that, you can just throw up your hands and help them adjust-- "Welcome to our new citizens" (who, btw, for the most part, will make very good ones)

Gee...does Mexico do that? Name another Country that does as you suggest (And FRANCE doesn't count, as they have lost their Country to the Islamazis!)

Tell you what...YOU give up, and leave America. We who LOVE this Country and will do WHATEVER it takes to defend it will just have to "carry on without you".

Hey, maybe YOU could be the new "Reverse Illegal Immigrant" in to Mexico! Maybe YOU could sponge off Vincente Fox....just don't expect to be welcomed back thru the Wall!

[Plutarch]

"The length of stay here will be dependent upon the actions of the Congress. It's conceivable you could have a three-year period with a renewal period," he said.

What is inconceivable is that a future Congress or President will forcibly remove people who up until their time has expired have been "playing by the rules", and "contributing to the economy," and who have also produced U.S. Citizen anchor babies. Conspicuously absent from the bills he favors are provisions up front that incentivize or enforce eventual Guest Worker removal from the U.S., such as retention of earnings to be paid upon return to Mexico.

No Western nation anywhere has ever forcibly removed their "Guest Workers". For any of us to believe that this time they mean it is to play Charlie Brown forever being fooled by Lucy.

[Dewy]

That about the women who come here with no husband, five US kids, and no job? Living of of the taxpayer. I know one such who has tenncare while tenncare is dropping elderly Tennessee citizens. This could only happen in the good old PC USA.

[moehoward]

"Those same people who say guest workers can't stay are currently also telling us that it would be unrealistic to deport all illegal aliens in the U.S."

Bump that.

[BubbaTheRocketScientist]

Oh, and call all the Immigrants who came here legally "SUCKERS!" Because why did they have to pay BIG $$$ and jump thru hoops when all they had to do was wait till folks like you surrendered American Sovereignty to them!

That's what bothers me the most about these immigration debates. Most Americans have no idea how freaking difficult it is for someone to get here legally. The paperwork is endless, tons of the hoops to be jumped through, and literally years spent waiting. That is, of course, unless you're from one of the "politically preferred" countries near our southern border, or are a computer programmer willing to work for $0.50 an hour.

[mad_as_he$$]

I have said it before and I will say it again. NO BUSH WILL EVER TIGHTEN THE BORDER. It's all just window dressing. We will attack Iran before anything meaningful is done to secure our borders.

[gubamyster]

ping

[mad_as_he$$]

485,000 new illegals every year.

[Aetius]

I don't disagree in general.

One idea I have heard is to withold a substantial portion of the guests' earnings until they go home, and then pay it out over time to them in their home country. But I'm not under any illusion that that alone would suffice.

I agree that Bush has been awful on the issue. I am suspicious of him. So far, it is only empty words, but I prefer these words to some of his past nonsense, like "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande."

I believe, if any good legislation is to pass, that it will come from the House. This is one reason that I particularly fear the specter of Democratic gains (or even takeover) this November, because it may doom any chance for immigration reform that actually enjoys widespread support from the mainstream of America.

[moehoward]

"the fact that those would apply to all guest worker programs including Tancredo's ."

Negative. Tancredo's includes provisions against statue change for the immigrant and any offspring born while here.

[kstewskis]

President Bush yesterday said illegal aliens who take part in his guest-worker program would not be allowed to stay permanently.

Oooooookay.

So Mr. Bush, how would you propose getting them as "guests" to go home, when their "welcome" is overstayed?

They can't track and deport the millions of illegals here already, does he really think that they'll listen when they are told to go home when their work visa is ended?

[NotFinished]

I disagree, see no reason to just 'accept the fact'.
But you are right, fences and buses aren't going to keep them from coming - where there's a will, there's a way. Until we crack down hard on the a-holes here that are providing them with employment - remove the honey that is drawing the flies, so to speak - they will find a way to keep coming. Can't blame them.
There's no need for bus tickets - take away their reason for being here, they'll find their own way home.

[Ben Ficklin]

I suppose it is remotely possible but not probable that Congress is going to change birthright citizenship.

[RJL]

President Bush yesterday said illegal aliens who take part in his guest-worker program would not be allowed to stay permanently.

They would never go home.

After living here for six years there would be about a million sympathetic news reports about Juan and Juanita and their children, home, church, school, jobs, community, and the roots we all put down in six years. They will never go back to Mexico

President Bush, Call me, I'll bet everything I own against everything you own that there will be no large resettlement of Mexican temporary workers back to Mexico.

[moehoward]

So says you.
BTW. We have had this discussion already. In case you forgot, I'll include Tancredo's text.

(D) sign a legally enforceable affidavit attesting that they--

`(i) understand that they will not be permitted to change or adjust to any other immigrant or nonimmigrant classification or status while present in the United States;

`(ii) acknowledge that a child born to them during their stay in the United States will not be granted U.S. citizenship unless the other parent is a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident;

[kstewskis]

For any of us to believe that this time they mean it is to play Charlie Brown forever being fooled by Lucy.

I love it! So true!

[Ben Ficklin]

No, we have not had this discussion before.

These are examples of why Tancredo's plan would be impossible to get off the ground or to enforce.

What Tancredo and many others don't understand is that if it is not desirable or beneficial, no one will participate. In this case, it is better to be illegal so why would they participate.

Enforcing this is like enforcing a 35 mph speed limit on the interstate.