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HillaryCare Returns (WSJ Editorial - Grim Future for Health Care)
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Posted on 01/15/2006 11:26:10 PM PST by indianrightwinger

HillaryCare Returns January 16, 2006; Page A14

Readers with long memories will recall that one of the reasons HillaryCare was defeated in 1994 was because of its unpopular employer mandate. Well, its diktat that all businesses provide health insurance is making a comeback, albeit at the state level and at first only for the largest companies. But all employers are on Big Labor's target list here.

That's the larger meaning of last week's events in Maryland, where the state legislature overturned the veto of GOP Governor Robert Ehrlich and passed a bill forcing any employer in the state with more than 10,000 employees to spend at least 8% of its payroll on health care or pay the state the difference. There are only a handful of companies that large in Maryland -- Johns Hopkins University and Giant Food, a grocery chain competing with Wal-Mart, among them. Only one meets all the criteria, however, so the legislation was dubbed "The Wal-Mart Bill," which in part it is.

But no one should think this will be an isolated political event. The state AFL-CIO threw everything it had into the bill, including a vow to withdraw support from any lawmaker who didn't vote to override the veto. Democrats who dominate both houses of the Maryland legislature went along. The national AFL-CIO now plans to use the Maryland law as a model for legislation in other states. Union chief John Sweeney has announced a campaign to enact "Fair Share Health Care Legislation" in more than 30 states. Washington and New Hampshire will be early targets.

The details vary by state, but already it's clear the new tax would eventually hit companies a lot smaller than Wal-Mart. In Rhode Island, proposed legislation takes aim at businesses with only 1,000 employees.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial
KEYWORDS: employermandates; healthcare; healthinsurance; hillary; hillarycare; maryland; medicalcare; walmart; wsj
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1 posted on 01/15/2006 11:26:10 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

for a tomorrow read


3 posted on 01/15/2006 11:51:05 PM PST by malia (The Impeached x42 clinton - a Paper Tiger President! MSM - bottom feeders! What a team!!!!)
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To: William Creel
First of all, this can`t be legal, but, if it is three guess`s who is going to pay the bill?
Attention Walmart Shoppers.....

Remember asking a union carpenter in NYC just how much he could make in a year. "With benefits, well over 100K, course, there`s no work so no body is getting that!"
4 posted on 01/15/2006 11:56:20 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: indianrightwinger
So Maryland writes a law that applies to only three entities, then adds conditions (such as having to be profitable) that exempts two of them--thus, the Wal-Mart bill?

The unions should celebrate. For the rest of us, I think we've seen the precise instant that the pendulum, in Maryland, swung left as far as it's going to go. Nowhere to go now but back toward the center. This was over-reaching, showboating, and extreme hubris on the part of the State Legislature, the Dimowhacks, and the Unions.

"Whom the Gods Would Destroy they first make mad with power."

wrote historian Charles A. Beard. He borrowed it from Euripides.

5 posted on 01/15/2006 11:58:36 PM PST by DJtex (;)
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To: malia

Democracies, like a person with loss of the body's immune system, have no effective internal defense.

Healthy democracies are dependent upon leaders seeking the good of the nation. Otherwise, ala the Dem's, they are poisoned from within.


6 posted on 01/16/2006 12:03:28 AM PST by OldArmy52
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To: DJtex
"Whom the Gods Would Destroy they first make mad with power."

So true. . .but we know from history what it takes for that destruction and how long it can take. . .

We cannot let the efforts of these people succeed. . .(not looking good however)

7 posted on 01/16/2006 12:04:59 AM PST by cricket
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To: indianrightwinger

And the march toward full-blown socialism continues.

MM


8 posted on 01/16/2006 12:08:06 AM PST by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: bybybill

My understanding is that it violates a provision of the federal ERISA that requires equal treatment of all employers. Look for Walmart to challenge and win in federal court.


9 posted on 01/16/2006 12:26:30 AM PST by rebel_yell2
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To: indianrightwinger
I think you guys are getting steamed up over nothing...

We have and HAVE had for at least the last two decades, public health care in this country. Hospitals now cant turn away people who have no means.

Walmart will either pay people enough to buy health care and we will pay for it with higher prices for the Chinese goodies, or the state will pay for it and it will come out of our tax dollars.

Either way, we pay for it...
10 posted on 01/16/2006 12:27:38 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: indianrightwinger

What these dingbats don't realize is that Wal-Mart is either going to

A) cut back its workforce

or

B) refuse to give raises/slash the pay of its employees.

Problem solved. You can't beat the market. You can kill it, but you can't beat it.


11 posted on 01/16/2006 12:43:33 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: babygene
"Hospitals now cant turn away people who have no means. "

They also close because they can't pay the bills. I get what U R sayin' tho...

12 posted on 01/16/2006 12:46:46 AM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: CheyennePress
What these dingbats don't realize is that Wal-Mart is either going to A) cut back its workforce or B) refuse to give raises/slash the pay of its employees. Problem solved. You can't beat the market. You can kill it, but you can't beat it.

Exactly- when more costs are mandated upon a business ( taxes, regulations, benefits ) by the government, the business looks for ways to decrease costs.

Since payroll is one of the two biggests costs ( debt service being the other ) you start by cutting unproductive employees.

And if you're smart, you give some of the money you saved to the better employees as a reward.

Where I live, most people would love to have benefits ( pension, health care, etc. ) but need the full paycheck to pay living expenses- so they choose to take the money now, and hope they don't need the benefits in the future. As long as there's a choice, I fail to see why it's anyone else's business.

13 posted on 01/16/2006 1:55:57 AM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: indianrightwinger

There is no rational reason for employers to provide health benefits to those who work for them.

There might as well be a bill that says realtors are required to provide health care to all who buy homes from them.

The only reason employers decided to give any kind of benefit (health, stock, vacation, etc.) was to keep good employees that they treasured.

This will end up reducing the number of jobs IF Wal-Mart chooses to remain in Maryland.


14 posted on 01/16/2006 2:58:45 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
Of course. But the Left is not guided by real world considerations. Its guided by power - and a desire to wield it over every one else.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

15 posted on 01/16/2006 3:07:46 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: babygene

Do the Unions think this will spark more persons to join the unions?


16 posted on 01/16/2006 3:08:09 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Proof against evolution:"Man is the only creature that blushes, or needs to" M.Twain)
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To: CheyennePress

Right on. Looks like WalMart is going to have 9,999 employees in Maryland from now on.


17 posted on 01/16/2006 3:15:39 AM PST by Toskrin (It didn't seem nostalgic when I was doing it)
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To: DJtex
I think we've seen the precise instant that the pendulum, in Maryland, swung left as far as it's going to go. Nowhere to go now but back toward the center. This was over-reaching, showboating, and extreme hubris on the part of the State Legislature, the

Why would you think that? Do you think Maryland Democrats are smarter than the old Soviets? Nyet, tovarsch, they aren't as bright. people are elected to the Maryland legislature on the basis of how much of the resources of the hard working they promise to the indolent.

18 posted on 01/16/2006 3:15:57 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: indianrightwinger
But all employers are on Big Labor's target list here.

And major corporations are pushing to have the govt take over health care.

19 posted on 01/16/2006 3:18:27 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: indianrightwinger

Actually, one of the reasons that HillaryCare failed was that a full 75% of its rules/regulations pertained to punishment for those who sought health care outside of HillaryCare, and for the health providers who gave it. In addition, it was so oppressive, it would have drastically curtailed our freedom of movement within the domestic US by requiring citizens to obtain government permission to travel outside of their health care region to vacation or attend to business in another region. The reason given at the time was that health care costs differ across the country and people traveling from one region were not assured of receiving health care in another region without formal permission of the government for their travel.

In short, HillaryCare would have created a virtual Soviet Union in the US by requiring all Americans to have a domestic passport and visa authorizing them to travel from one region to another.

Today, IMO, the health care situation is a tossup. Many companies are pulling back on their benefit programs to push employees to private insurers or onto government plans. The plans are all so lousy or so expensive that the employees are pushing back. I think this article is signalling surrender way too soon - this battle isn't over, yet.

God willing, we will NEVER see HillaryCare come to fruition.


20 posted on 01/16/2006 4:38:18 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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