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Lawyer: Teen Shot by Police Brain Dead
Associated Press ^ | Saturday, January 14, 2006 | KELLI KENNEDY

Posted on 01/14/2006 4:44:59 PM PST by Peace4EarthNow

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To: Dudoight

Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think schools are going to have to rethink security and provide it themselves or risk the delays in government showing up later, and ready for blood, long after the blood has begun to flow.

In this case if school security had been able to isolate the kid in the bathroom, at the worst, the teen would have done harm to himself and the school could have said they did everything they could to avoid the classic swat result.

If you think the government reaction isn't an overreaction that's OK I just happen to think otherwise. Once swat gets there you as the school have lost control of the situation, and abrogated your authority. You are nothing more than a spectator on your turf.


101 posted on 01/15/2006 7:56:28 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I agree. The cop should sue the parents.

Why is no one concerned about how the cop must feel, killing an (it turns out) unarmed 15-year-old kid.

102 posted on 01/15/2006 8:20:40 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: wita

I appreciate your point of view. Possibly 'metal detectors' every day for every student? That would hopefully prevent a gun even getting thru the door. But once the kid is in the classroom waving a previously hidden gun, threatening...the school staff have at that moment become helpless 'observers'.


103 posted on 01/15/2006 8:21:52 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: All

Parents told police the gun was a pellet gun. No reason this kid should have been murdered.


104 posted on 01/15/2006 8:22:45 AM PST by devane617 (An Alley-Cat mind is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: ExSoldier
For the last nine years I've taught in the inner city. Right now I have a senior that's almost 21. He's finally going to graduate. Then he's joining the army. I think that's the only reason he's stayed in school.

Wow, admire the guy's persistence at least.
105 posted on 01/15/2006 8:48:16 AM PST by DarkSavant ("Life is hilariously cruel" - Bender)
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To: doug from upland

Agreed. Prayers for all. Really sad.


106 posted on 01/15/2006 8:50:17 AM PST by tioga (Speaking out from the god-forsaken frozen tundra of the Hildebeast.)
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To: devane617

Parents told police the gun was a pellet gun. No reason this kid should have been murdered.



Murdered? The police shot him in self defense. How was the police to know what the wacko was pointing at him. If my son ever has to choose between shooting and getting shot I hope he does the same thing. I just feel sorry for the officer as he will have to go through the rest of his life second guessing himself. At least now this kid will not get another chance to do a Columbine.


107 posted on 01/15/2006 9:07:11 AM PST by John D
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To: Ciexyz

Walther PPK.


108 posted on 01/15/2006 9:26:50 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: John D

The police were told by the parents who were present that the gun was a pellet gun. Also, the parents were refused when they ask to talk to him. Murdered is the only word for what happened.


109 posted on 01/15/2006 9:55:14 AM PST by devane617 (An Alley-Cat mind is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: devane617

The police were told it might be a pellet gun. The police had no way to know for sure. When the kidnapper pointed the gun at the officer had no choice but to protect himself.
What good would it have been to let the parents talk to him. They are the ones that raised a kid that will bring a gun to school and kidnap and threaten other students. Great parents, great kid.


110 posted on 01/15/2006 10:43:10 AM PST by John D
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To: robertpaulsen

Oh wow, now the kids was unarmed?
Funny, the local news here in Orlando is saying different. But the kids lawyer might say he was unarmed.

If I am a cop, and I am called to a school - where a kid who a year previous had made a bomb threat there - had a gun that was modified by this kid to resemble a semi-auto handgun and had put if to another kids head, had held him hostage and then pointed the gun directly at me (the cop) after he was told multiple times to drop it, you think I wouldn't shoot?

If it HAD been a 9mm and the kid had shot the place up, would you have wanted the police to stand by and then be able to say "well, gee. We thought it was a BB Gun. It sure looked like one".

Cops ENFORCE THE LAW. Thats why they are called "LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS"

But that doesn't matter I guess.


111 posted on 01/15/2006 11:08:49 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: devane617

Sorry, thats not true. The dad is saying he said that to cover his ass.


112 posted on 01/15/2006 11:10:22 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Peace4EarthNow

If I only had a glance at it, I would think that the gun is real. You need to get close up to see that it is a pellet gun, a luxary that the SWAT officers did not have.


113 posted on 01/15/2006 3:11:17 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
But that doesn't matter I guess.

It matters a lot. The grief that is felt by everyone is heartwrenching. I contend that we must have an honest discourse about how appropriate it is to send SWAT into a school; and when that is the best decision. The alternative is to turn our schools into the same facilities as a penal institution. That is good with some. It shall never be good with me. Let our esteemed congress declare that no citizen within 1000 yards may posess a weapon. For the children. And *who* shoots the kids?

114 posted on 01/15/2006 3:21:05 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

We have "continuing education" here in Texas:
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/unitdirectory/all.htm
They make certain that NOBODY threatens another "student"


115 posted on 01/15/2006 3:36:44 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

So banning gun possession of those who protect the innocent is the answer? That makes a lot of sense, sounds great. Let some punk kid smuggle a mini14 into school in his backpack and open fire. maybe the rest of the school can knock him out with spitballs.
No law enforcement allowed with 1000 ft of Columbine. Heck, Klebold and Harris would have eventually run out of bullets so let's not hurt either of them, okay?


116 posted on 01/15/2006 4:23:04 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"...But the family's lawyer said Saturday that Ralph Penley had told authorities during the standoff that his son had a pellet gun. Nation said police wouldn't let the father inside when he arrived at the school. "If Christopher was alive and (Ralph Penley) was able to go into the school, he would've been able to talk him out of it," Nation said. "He did everything he could to avoid this situation..."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181709,00.html

The kid was murdered. Nuff said...

117 posted on 01/15/2006 5:34:25 PM PST by devane617 (An Alley-Cat mind is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: devane617

The kid was not murdered. Figure it out.


118 posted on 01/15/2006 5:35:59 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Hi there! I'm a cold heeartless bastard! The kid was stupid and the parents should be charged!

I think the kid was very stupid for doing what he did.
No excuses.
But, what, exactly, should the parents be charged for? Getting the kid a pellet gun?

119 posted on 01/15/2006 6:00:32 PM PST by It's me
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To: robertpaulsen

The cop should sue the parents for putting him in danger. Didn't he do that to himself when he became a cop?

Can you show us a lawsuit where a cop sued the perpetrators of a crime? In the line of duty, as this one was.

Thanks.


120 posted on 01/15/2006 7:31:44 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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