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Seeing Crime Guns Destroyed Gives Solace to Victims' Families
NY Times ^ | January 4, 2006 | PAM BELLUCK

Posted on 01/03/2006 11:03:06 PM PST by neverdem

SOUTH PORTLAND, Me. - Kelly DeCambra made her way through a seven-inches-an-hour snowstorm to a dingy Maine State Police garage where, among the brake parts, transmissions and a flat-bed tow truck, she hoped to find a fragment of solace.

It would come in the form of a Ruger .44 Magnum Super Blackhawk revolver, caked with blood and the memory of Ms. DeCambra's son, 21-year-old Lionel St. Hilaire, who was shot to death with it last year.

The mother had come to watch the gun that was used to kill her son be sawed into pieces in an acrid plume of white-hot sparks.

Ms. DeCambra's act of witness was made possible by a law Maine enacted in 2001 that requires handguns used in homicides to be destroyed when they are no longer needed for evidence. Before that, guns were often sold or auctioned by police departments to raise money for other equipment.

Gun control advocates, gun rights supporters, and law enforcement officials say they believe that Maine is the only state where the police allow victims' relatives to watch a gun's destruction, and the acts of witness are arranged informally by the police, not spelled out in the law.

Supporters of the law, including the Maine Chiefs of Police Association, acknowledge that in a state like Maine, which in the last decade averaged about 20 homicides a year, destroying such weapons takes only a few guns out of circulation. But the requirement that crime guns be destroyed reflects a trend among police departments nationwide.

A few states, including New York and Wisconsin, require at least some guns to be destroyed, and others, like Washington, have rescinded bans on destroying guns used in crimes.

Several municipalities have passed ordinances to prevent crime guns from being sold, and the International Association of Chiefs...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Maine; US: New York; US: Virginia; US: Washington; US: Wisconsin
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Herb Swanson for The New York Times
Kelly DeCambra, left, her daughter Danielle Barden, in white shirt, and son John Barden with the gun that was used to kill another son.

Herb Swanson for The New York Times
The gun used to kill Ms. DeCambra's son is cut up at a police garage.
1 posted on 01/03/2006 11:03:07 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They should give those guilty guns a lethal injection.

Anything more would be inhumane.


2 posted on 01/03/2006 11:09:10 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: neverdem
Before that, guns were often sold or auctioned by police departments to raise money for other equipment.

I don't think they sell guns with the serial numbers filed off...
3 posted on 01/03/2006 11:09:48 PM PST by jamesm51
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To: neverdem

Wow, is that stupid.


4 posted on 01/03/2006 11:12:58 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: neverdem

Silly. Equally silly are "victim impact statements" in what are supposed to be the places where we objectively and without emotion decide court cases.


5 posted on 01/03/2006 11:16:16 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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To: ozzymandus

Agreed.

There are poor families in our inner cities that need guns to defend themselves against their thuggish neighbors.

Why don't liberals support gun vouchers, or maybe gun stamps? Seems like the type of redistribution scheme that they love if it involves food, housing, cash :)


6 posted on 01/03/2006 11:22:43 PM PST by KingofZion
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To: neverdem
Seeing the perp put down would work better plus these guns could still save lives.
7 posted on 01/03/2006 11:23:00 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ozzymandus

Stupid is right.


8 posted on 01/03/2006 11:29:03 PM PST by MistrX
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To: neverdem
Do they gather to watch killer cars crushed? Are baseball bats burned? What a stupid thing to do. Attacking an inanimate object.
9 posted on 01/03/2006 11:37:22 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: neverdem
Whoever dreamed up this plan is a jerk. I'm fed up with this touchy-feely-gootchie-koo-I love you babe, crap. If one of my kids were killed, I'd find the bastard and empty a magazine.

Now on the other side, if my daughter were raped, I'd like to see the rapist, aka, Clinton gelded; then I'd empty the magazine.

10 posted on 01/03/2006 11:37:24 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: jamesm51
I don't think they sell guns with the serial numbers filed off..

You made that up out of thin air. No mention was made of the serial numbers being filed off in the article.

11 posted on 01/03/2006 11:39:08 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: neverdem

END CAPITAL PUNISHMENT FOR GUNS!!

GUNS CAN BE REHABILITATED!!

This gun should be given life without parole. Anything more is dreadfully uncivilized. Few people know this, but I've heard of guns that wrote childrens' books while they were awaiting rehabilitation. As a society, we need to build gun prisons where those guns that have been engaged in henious crimes can spend the rest of their years repenting for the damage they have done.


12 posted on 01/03/2006 11:39:46 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Funny taglines are value plays.)
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To: neverdem
Whew, this one really needed a 'Barf Alert'. On second thought, it was from the NYSlimes. Nevermind.
13 posted on 01/03/2006 11:39:54 PM PST by IYellAtMyTV (The Left -- playing russian roulette with an automatic.)
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To: neverdem

This is sick.


14 posted on 01/03/2006 11:41:08 PM PST by Jaysun (The plain truth is that I am not a fair man, and don't want to hear both sides.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

~Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis"

15 posted on 01/03/2006 11:43:41 PM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: neverdem

This encouragement by the police departments, to crime victim relatives, that they should place blame on an inanimate chunk of metal (or plastic) for a violent criminal act committed by a live person, seems a bit perverted and sick to me. Should we now have ceremonies to watch cars crushed, if they were involved in DWI deaths?


16 posted on 01/03/2006 11:55:18 PM PST by de Buillion (The War on Terror is Crusade 2001. We need a formal declaration of war!)
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To: neverdem
... in a state like Maine, which in the last decade averaged about 20 homicides a year, destroying such weapons takes only a few guns out of circulation.

But it's rich in symbolism!

And really. Isn't that the most important thing? < /derision >

17 posted on 01/03/2006 11:58:08 PM PST by papertyger (We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.)
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To: neverdem
People are missing the real questions here:

Why are the authorities cutting up RUGERS in disproportionate numbers?

Are Rugers made in a unenriched urban environments?

If we subsidized the working function of their lathes, would guns made at Ruger, Inc. prove less apt to cause crimes than if they were fabricated with other means?

Do people HATE Rugers? Why is there so much intolerance of Ruger handguns?

Let's say the federal gov't subsidized midnight cowboy action shooting games --mighn't we see a much higher level of Ruger handguns go on to become Gatling guns and Vulcan canons?

I cannot believe you people haven't given this more thought...

18 posted on 01/04/2006 12:10:16 AM PST by gaijin
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To: papertyger

I am quite certain that seeing the sob's executed would give more solace and perhaps even some closure.


19 posted on 01/04/2006 12:10:44 AM PST by appeal2
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To: gaijin
When Rugers are mishandled, OF COURSE they are capable of committing tragedies like these. But I think if we're innovative enough, we can use Rugers in new ways:

As paperweights, for example. Or doorknockers.

We need to think about the WHOLE environment surrounding Ruger handguns, and not the narrow circumstances in which they are handled in the manner cited above.

The authorities do not need to resort to torching them and cutting them up --that's a sign of an unforgiving society.

20 posted on 01/04/2006 12:15:56 AM PST by gaijin
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To: neverdem
that's a long barreled Blackhawk...

typical libs....what if symbolism over substance

21 posted on 01/04/2006 12:17:50 AM PST by wardaddy (If they don't own at least one pick-up, then they need to be watched closely)
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower

Oh brother!


22 posted on 01/04/2006 12:19:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: appeal2
I am quite certain that seeing the sob's executed would give more solace and perhaps even some closure.

Well yeah, for the relatives, but what about the press?

23 posted on 01/04/2006 12:28:59 AM PST by papertyger (We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.)
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To: neverdem
Malleable idiots succumbing to government flackery.
24 posted on 01/04/2006 12:30:47 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: ozzymandus
Wow, is that stupid.

After reading this stupid article, nine of the ten voices in my head are telling me to clean my guns.

25 posted on 01/04/2006 12:32:25 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: neverdem

She said she had been unable to see punishment imposed on her son's killer, Zachary Fenderson, who had found his ex-girlfriend with Mr. St. Hilaire one night, because Mr. Fenderson immediately shot and killed himself.


----Will that gun be "killed" too? I mean, I am sorry her son was killed ( I am not heartless) because I lost a husband and a baby boy to a drunk driver, but seeing the car destoyed that did hit and killed them, would NOT have done a thing but send the wrong message. THE driver/shooter killed them/her son. Not the objects that were used to do it. I have a gun and 2 cars, and I am responsible with all of them.


26 posted on 01/04/2006 12:34:25 AM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man)
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To: Travis McGee
Oh brother!

Oh brother! Indeed, maybe you can work this aspect of liberal craziness into a chapter. Happy New Year!

27 posted on 01/04/2006 12:36:35 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Hank Rearden
After reading this stupid article, nine of the ten voices in my head are telling me to clean my guns.

I'll bet the tenth one is saying "January tenth, January tenth... "

28 posted on 01/04/2006 12:38:53 AM PST by papertyger (We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Great shot. Pun intended. I laughed so much that my wife thought I was nuts.


29 posted on 01/04/2006 12:39:19 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: WasDougsLamb
First of all, I'm terribly sorry for your loss.

Secondly, you're exactly right. This kind of thing makes about as much sense as destroying a piece of industrial equipment that someone was injured or killed by.

I wonder if at some point they'll be having a day for people to destroy knives used in stabbings, or baseball bats used in clubbings.

Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter if this sort of thing actually accomplishes anything. As long as it makes people feel good, that's all that matters.

L

30 posted on 01/04/2006 12:43:10 AM PST by Lurker (You don't let a pack of wolves into the house just because they're related to the family dog.)
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To: appeal2

I think it would be fitting if the perp were executed with that same gun he used to kill his victim.

Kharma.

It's a good circular thing:)


31 posted on 01/04/2006 12:44:43 AM PST by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: wardaddy

I have two Rugers. One is a 7-1/2" Blackhawk, the other is a 5-1/2" Bisley Vaquero. Both are .357's No somma beech is going to take them away from me. I won't discuss the serious stuff.


32 posted on 01/04/2006 12:47:06 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: neverdem
Seeing Crime Guns Destroyed Gives Solace to Victims' Families

It's hard to imagine such an irrational story being given any coverage even 20 years ago except to wonder at its lunacy, but now such swill makes it to a "paper of record" as straight news.

I assume that when the neighbors start building airplanes from coconuts and straw that the New York Times will be johnny-on-the-spot to report on their efficacy at producing cargo.

33 posted on 01/04/2006 2:09:19 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: neverdem

Aren't the police breaking the law in that photograph by not having a trigger lock on the firearm? Notice how it was being stored in a plain cardboard box, where a child could have grabbed it?

Well, how's about it New York Times?


34 posted on 01/04/2006 2:10:45 AM PST by dbehsman (NRA Life member and loving every minute of it!)
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To: neverdem
Maybe they should watch the perpetrator get sawn up instead.

Blame the gun, blame the gun, blame the gun.

In addition, if the gun was stolen, the poor slob who owned it will never get it back. What horsesh!t.

35 posted on 01/04/2006 2:13:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: neverdem

It would be much better to watch the killer sawn into pieces. One could have a chunk of the carcase, perhaps the hand or trigger finger, gold plated and set it on the mantle.


36 posted on 01/04/2006 2:18:37 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: neverdem
Seeing Crime Guns Destroyed Gives Solace to Victims' Families

So does beating an old pillow with a tennis racket while hopping up and down and shouting at the top of your lungs, but it doesn't bring the victim back and it doesn't neutralize the perp.

So does going to the range and putting several pounds of lead down range into upper body silhouette targets, but it doesn't bring the victim back and it doesn't neutralize the perp.

So does being prepared in the first place so it's the perp, not your loved one, who leaves the scene in a body bag.

37 posted on 01/04/2006 2:21:29 AM PST by HKMk23 (Why do you expect better treatment from this lousy world than Jesus got; are you holier? - Ravenhill)
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To: neverdem
The mental weakness of these confused people is amazing and disturbing. I will never understand how destroying a tool is supposed to make the world safer.

I've seen children get scared of a toy that hurts them, they will avoid that toy no matter what. The way these people act reminds me of that same childish response. Destroy it so it can't hurt me again.

I couldn't care less what the final disposition of these guns is. It doesn't change a single thing. No life is going to be returned by destroying it nor will leaving it intact and selling it bring the dead back, but to act like they are putting down a rabid dog who has savaged a neighborhood is beyond reason, it's madness.
38 posted on 01/04/2006 2:46:16 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Whats with the Marquis of Queensbury Rules bullsh*t, we fight for our very survival! Fight Dirty!)
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To: neverdem
Guns that are legal and in good condition were sold off. Any others were destroyed in a number of ways. Here in MN, for example, the Minneapolis PD frequently tosses them in a smelter. Further north in Duluth guns the police want to destroy are taken several hundred yards out onto Lake Superior and dumped overboard.

Works well either way.

39 posted on 01/04/2006 2:46:53 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: KingofZion
Why don't liberals support gun vouchers, or maybe gun stamps? Seems like the type of redistribution scheme that they love if it involves food, housing, cash :)

Here in Virginia you have to buy one handgun a month. It's the law

40 posted on 01/04/2006 3:24:51 AM PST by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: neverdem

It really does look like a public execution, complete with the black-hooded executioner.


41 posted on 01/04/2006 3:51:42 AM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: neverdem
Although some police departments destroy guns, often by melting them down, others, usually smaller departments, still sell them.

"You got to use every penny you can get," said Roberto Fulgueira, the police chief in Sweetwater, Fla., who last year traded in his officers' old Glocks and some crime guns, saying he needed about $15,000 for new Glocks for his 65 officers.

With the money, he said, "I bought all my men guns, I bought bulletproof vests, and I still have a credit."

I lib land it's better to hold funeral for a gun rather than use to the peace officer's advantage.

42 posted on 01/04/2006 4:50:59 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: neverdem

I bet in most cases the killer walks free and the gun is executed. I wonder what solace can be found in that foolishness.


43 posted on 01/04/2006 4:59:56 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: P8riot

Here in Virginia you have to buy one handgun a month. It's the law

If you have a conceiled carry permit or a 03 FFL you may buy as many as you like. (or in my case have money for)

Sure was a nice piece to be cut up like that...


44 posted on 01/04/2006 5:27:44 AM PST by Mane in Virginia (Virginians please join www.vcdl.org)
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To: neverdem

Do the survivors then get all touchy-feely and feel "closure" when the perpetrator of the crime is released on parole after serving one month of a 30 year sentence?


45 posted on 01/04/2006 6:14:04 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: ozzymandus

Nah, it makes some psychological sense. This isn't really a "gun control" issue. It is just a catharsis of sorts. Although it is a stupid thing to destroy an inanimate object, you might have a different opinion if we were talking about flag burning. It is symbolic and therefore its destruction has meaning.

Unfortunately it is the gun control crusaders who probably wanted the law passed. I sure hope they recycle the scrap metal.


46 posted on 01/04/2006 6:19:58 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit ("A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: wardaddy
I have one in 44Mag.It would scare the_______ out of me if it were ever pointed in my direction. It has been a pretty good friend so far. It never sleeps and is always ready if I should need it. I have to keep an eye on it and so far it hasn't got loose and went on a shooting rampage.
47 posted on 01/04/2006 6:29:07 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: gaijin

its because rugers are built so if you drop them, they don't fall into a million pieces like a high point or a jennings.

that gun seems odd for a murder weapon tho. why would anyone use a huge, single action revolver?


48 posted on 01/04/2006 6:45:26 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: neverdem

Happy New Year to you to!


49 posted on 01/04/2006 7:30:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: neverdem

Gee, if seeing the guns destroyed helps 'em, what would seein' their loved ones' murderers impaled do for 'em?


50 posted on 01/04/2006 7:34:13 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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