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To: Luis Gonzalez
Re: The tenants of Nazism, Marxism/Communism/Socialism and its relevance to Kwanzaaism:

From a previous post in this thread that you apparently failed to read:

And before anyone invokes Godwin's Law, let me say that the Nazis however egregious their crimes and their evil are responsible for less death and destruction than the so-called "African values" celebrated by Kwanzaa that have existed and do exist today in Africa (see massacres, ethnic cleansing, machete attacks, man-made famines, etc). Further, their murderous efforts fall far short of the widespread death caused by socialism (over 100 million in the past century) which is another tenant of Kwanzaa and its founder. The comparison between the tenants of Naziism and Kwanzaaism is relevant. The point is that President Bush sends out official Kwanzaa greetings with an official Presidential proclamation when he would never for a microsecond consider sending out similar greetings (as worded above) to those who celebrate Hitler's birthday and Nazi beliefs.

You are right, Nazis and Klansmen compare quite well to people whose worst crime is celebrating a made up holiday.

You've completely ignored the truth about the origins, intent, and the founder of Kwanzaa which has been posted at length in this and other threads.

Not that anyone in this forum ever celebrates made up Holidays such as Mother's Day or Father's Day. Will you be whining about President Bush wishing us a Happy Mother's or Father;s Day later this year?

So, holiday's celebrating motherhood and fatherhood are somehow comparable to a holiday invented by a sadistic and violent racist black nationalist gangleader to spread Marxist racial revolution in America? You're messed up.

Passover is a holiday based on the killing of all the first-born children of Egypt by God.

Please keep up such inane and idiotic remarks so that you can be further discredited by the same.

Until the day that Kwanzaa celebrants, and not the nut jobs that you like holding up as representative of all the people who participate in this celebration, behave in a manner even closely resembling Nazis or Klansmen, Kwanzaa celebrants are simply Americans enjoying the freedom to celebrate whatever it is that they wish to celebrate.

Again, you've failed to address the origin, founder, and stated intent of the Kwanzaa. You keep pretending that it is benign with silly costumes and customs. Please address the stated intent and goals of its founder and official keepers of the tradition and cease your willful ignorance.

Your broad-brushed generalizations of people based on religious beliefs, ethnicity,or race, and grounded on "examples" drawn from the lowest members of those religions, ethnicities or races, are well-known to all. Your participation in this unbelievably racist thread, your defense of the racist statements made in it via your failure to condemn them, paints a clear picture of who, and what, you are.

I participate in the Kwanzaa threads precisely because I am against the inherant racism and other detestable aspects of Kwanzaa, its founder, and its intent. To label me a racist because I am condemning racism is truly stupid. And you're calling people and their comments racist has becoming a running joke on Free Republic as it always seems to be your M.O. in the border security threads and now the Kwanzaa threads. It is not my job nor do I have the time to respond to every statement that may be construed as racist in every thread I participate in. I certainly don't agree with any racist comments but I'm not going to waste my time with the racists and will let the admin mods clean up that garbage. I guess because you're participating in the same thread or are a poster on the same forum that contains such racist comments, you too are a racist - if I use your logic. I'm sure that someone, somewhere could construe your comments about Passover and Purim as anti-semetic too. But, unlike you, most people aren't so illogical and don't look at the world through racially based lenses.

195 posted on 12/30/2005 12:59:07 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff
"...let me say that the Nazis however egregious their crimes and their evil are responsible for less death and destruction than the so-called "African values" celebrated by Kwanzaa that have existed and do exist today in Africa..."

I see that you have both sides of your mouth going again.

Now, you want to tie the celebration of African heritage with Africe.

Hypocrite.

I read the tenants of Kwanzaa, and I understand, as do all people with any level of intelligence understand, just what a gigantic bigot you are.

You are pounding your "the founder of Kwanzaa" drum still?

You insist on visiting his sins on others?

Bigot.

Now you try to excuse off the fact that YOU accept some made up Holidays, and you don't accept absurd comparisons unless YOU make those absurd comparisons yourself?

Hypocrite.

Who cares who invented the Holiday?

The peopl celebrating it are not celebrating either his birth, or his beliefs.

They are celebrating their own sense of heritage...wh8ich is what truly bothers you.

Bigot.

I participate in the Kwanzaa threads precisely because I am against the inherant racism and other detestable aspects of Kwanzaa, its founder, and its intent."

The typical response of the rabid bigot.

How others celebrate their heritage is none of your concern.

Bigot.

196 posted on 12/30/2005 2:12:50 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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