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Did Bush willingly commit a ZOT? Please say it ain't so

Posted on 12/20/2005 8:49:47 AM PST by always thr constitution

I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days saying that Bush committed no crime because under the provisions of the USSID 18 and the FSIA, he could with perfect legitimacy eavesdrop on aliens involved in terrorist activities if he had AG approval.

However, what was puzzling is that Gonzales did not cite USSID 18; he cited the more dubious rationale of war powers approval. This would seem to indicate that Bush was spying on US citizens without a Court Order which clearly violates USSID 18 and the FSIA, and was using war powers approval to cover for it.

Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here.

I never thought Bush would resort to such extreme measures to skirt the law. I hope I am wrong. Please tell me why Bush didn't do this.


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To: always thr constitution

In after the Zot..... try spell check next time


121 posted on 12/20/2005 10:21:30 AM PST by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: always thr constitution

Idiot.
Wonder how long until the troll defenders show up to say you're right?


122 posted on 12/20/2005 10:24:30 AM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: Mike Darancette
The strict language does not support Bush's authorization of NSA.

Given that, the 4th Amendment was probably not violated because a person in the USA would have no expectation of privacy for International Communications.

123 posted on 12/20/2005 10:24:58 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: always thr constitution; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; ...
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124 posted on 12/20/2005 10:25:01 AM PST by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: Dashing Dasher; darkwing104; Michael Goldsberry

hahahahahahahah!!!!! *gasp*

hahahahahahahah!!!!!


Okay, I had to google it. Great stuff!


125 posted on 12/20/2005 10:25:36 AM PST by confederacy of dunces (Don't forget the cheese!)
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To: Darksheare

Was just about to ping ya to this troll wreck


126 posted on 12/20/2005 10:26:42 AM PST by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: scott0347

Love the pic!
Thanks!

Went round and round with a troll yesterday over this.
He's still here though.


127 posted on 12/20/2005 10:28:01 AM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: Mike Darancette
JIMMY 'COMMIE' CARTER AND HIS SPY EO
128 posted on 12/20/2005 10:34:48 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: jboot

Cool :) I absolutely LOVE Homeworld. Yeah I agree. By the time I took that screenshot I lost most of my strike craft and multi-gun corvettes lol. I accidently reversed the color sceme when I played that skirmish. The stripe color was supposed to be red with the base color gray. BUT I kept it that way since I really liked it.


129 posted on 12/20/2005 10:36:12 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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To: always thr constitution
NUKE THE MOONBAT


130 posted on 12/20/2005 10:38:18 AM PST by Thunder90
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To: always thr constitution

131 posted on 12/20/2005 10:59:04 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: Paul_Denton

Homeworld is my all-time favorite game. It reminds me of my favorite boyhood picture books-the Terran Trade Authority handbooks by Stewart Cowley. In fact, now you've got me wanting to knock off early and start a new game. It's been a while, and even longer since I played multiplayer (incidentally, my screen name here is my old online Homeworld handle, "Jackboot").


132 posted on 12/20/2005 10:59:15 AM PST by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: always thr constitution
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133 posted on 12/20/2005 11:03:37 AM PST by b4its2late (Liberals are good examples of why some animals eat their young.)
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To: always thr constitution

Did Bush? NO. But you are committing ZOT suicide. Bye, bye...


134 posted on 12/20/2005 11:06:04 AM PST by tioga
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To: Thunder90
see if you can fit old George in there somewhere...

Shot:George - Yield:225 Kilotons - First Thermonuclear Test
135 posted on 12/20/2005 11:09:10 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: jboot
I agree. I can never get enough of that game. I have Homeworld 2 as well but the first has some things the second lacks (the second has some things the first one lacks as well) so I love them both.

I am currently playing the camapign for the 100th or so time but I never get tired of it lol. I am currently in the Gardens of Kadesh where I do my best to capture the multi-beam frigates (they make life Oh sooooo much easier in missions like Bridge of Sighs and other tought ones).

I would LOVE to play multiplayer but WON.net was replaced by Valve's own Steam so it does not work anymore. :( I did play multiplayer before though.

Hammerstrike is the screen name I always used in Homeworld. Named after a missile system from another game I like called Heavy Gear.

136 posted on 12/20/2005 11:20:58 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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To: always thr constitution; Holdek

Hey Holdek, this look familiar to you?


137 posted on 12/20/2005 11:24:05 AM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: always thr constitution

tell your friends that the Cosntitution is just a piece of paper, Bush can do whatever he wants, he's got da juice!


138 posted on 12/20/2005 11:24:43 AM PST by isom35
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Gross! It's just sooo gross, I can't get used to it, LOL.


139 posted on 12/20/2005 11:30:31 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: always thr constitution
have been arguing with stupid libs for two days

Here's a liberal who states, in his own hand (so to speak) that liberals are stupid. Who'd have guessed?
140 posted on 12/20/2005 11:30:45 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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