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1 posted on 12/13/2005 5:25:40 PM PST by calcowgirl
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Plan would expand solar energy use
Contra Costa Times, Dec. 13, 2005

SAN FRANCISCO - State energy officials, seeking to revive a key element of the Schwarzenegger administration's push to expand renewable energy use, on Monday outlined a plan to increase annual spending on new solar energy units to nearly $300 million.

The plan, set for formal release today, would shuffle programs among state agencies in order to revive the administration's high-profile program to build 1 million homes with units to make electricity from the sun.

That initiative died in the Legislature this year after the administration balked at union wage guarantees sought by Democrats. The new solar push aims to bypass the Legislature by tapping the state Public Utilities Commission's authority to collect money from electricity customers and spend it to boost subsidies to homes and businesses that install solar units.

Currently, two state agencies spend about $80 million annually to subsidize solar power installations. The new solar plan takes existing programs, "keeps them going and focuses them where they have the greatest impact," said Jackalyne Pfannenstiel, a member of the state Energy Commission. The proposal, which requires approval by the PUC, calls for spending $3.2 billion over 11 years to install 2,600 megawatts of solar capacity.

By comparison, PG&E's largest power plant -- its Diablo Canyon nuclear facility -- can produce 2,220 megawatts.

The new plan would not include requirements that new-home builders install solar energy units and that utilities buy excess power from home and business solar units. Those measures would require legislation.

The new solar initiative was unveiled at a joint meeting of the state Energy Commission and PUC that was also attended by two members of Schwarzenegger's cabinet.

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2 posted on 12/13/2005 5:26:21 PM PST by calcowgirl
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I notice there's not too much detail on how much this solar powered electricity will cost per kilowat hour. I guess that doesn't matter, as long as they all feel good and the taxpayers foot the bill.


3 posted on 12/13/2005 5:29:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Why not? California has TONS of Money, next stop for this charade and Light Rail... New Orleans!

Taxpayers are so gullible.

TT


5 posted on 12/13/2005 5:34:25 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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8 posted on 12/13/2005 5:35:55 PM PST by Libertarian444
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Kalifornians can't be bothered to build a real power plant in the state but want to spend billions on a power source that only works 12 hours out of every day barring clouds. Smart. Real smart.


9 posted on 12/13/2005 5:37:26 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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In the near future, Cali will either need to file for bankruptcy or state income tax rates on individuals with be higher than federal income tax rates.


12 posted on 12/13/2005 5:40:04 PM PST by frankjr
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No.


15 posted on 12/13/2005 5:50:44 PM PST by afnamvet
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"Environment California, a nonprofit, nonpartisan environmental advocacy group"

BullSh*t! There is no such animal. All environmental advocay groups are intensely politically partisan. Virtually on the left wing.


17 posted on 12/13/2005 5:52:07 PM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; FOG724; editor-surveyor; forester; NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Ping


19 posted on 12/13/2005 5:55:48 PM PST by calcowgirl
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for every megawatt of solar power installed, up to 7 jobs are created, a 7-fold increase over the number of jobs created from building the equivalent capacity in natural gas power plants

And if they dug canals with teaspoons, millions of jobs could be created. In the rest of the universe, this is known as inefficiency.

21 posted on 12/13/2005 6:00:00 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: calcowgirl; Dog Gone
Dog Gone, I can't let you miss this one!

I'm curious about this, though. Normally systems like the ones described would be purchased personally by individuals and the benefits would be given to them. So if I put a solar panel on my roof, I own the power coming from it, and can then sell it back to the utility, store it in batteries or use it myself.

If that's so, this seems like a huge subsidy to people who will just take the power and laugh all the way to the bank, without actually helping their fellow ratepayers.

If not, it seems like putting useless panels on people's roofs and then taking the power without any compensation would be a plan only a bureaucrat could love.

I know that some people in really out of the way areas can be self-sufficient in power from solar panels. This site, while chaotic, has the facts. Apparently if you just buy an expensive special 12v refrigerator, cook with gas and don't use an air conditioner, self-sufficiency is possible.

I'm not convinced it's cost-effective for most of the US, or that this idea isn't a bit premature.

D

25 posted on 12/13/2005 6:04:48 PM PST by daviddennis (;)
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This proposal for incentives to install stand alone, solar systems linked to energy saving, structure modifications is controversial but it has one, unique aspect that separates it from the rest and meets with my approval.

It's a redistribution of wealth scheme that moves money from the unproductive lower class to the productive middle class. The poor, who already enjoy subsidized rates far in excess of the benefits this proposal provides, will be required to return a fraction of that largess to their principal benefactors.

31 posted on 12/13/2005 7:14:20 PM PST by Amerigomag
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"Today’s proposal comes at the request of Governor Schwarzenegger and mirrors the bulk of the Governor-backed Million Solar Roofs bill (SB 1), which was also broadly support by the state Legislature."

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!!EXCUSE ME GOVERNOR SCHWARTZENEGGER!!!

That's NOT why we elected you!!! Gray Davis was a GangGreenGovernor! That's NOT WHAT YOUR MISSION WAS TO BE!!!

35 posted on 12/13/2005 7:43:51 PM PST by SierraWasp (That "Nasty, Berating" Wasp that keep stingin SchwartzenRenegger and his Swooners!!!)
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It is entirely possible that the time is right for government action in bringing alternative energy applications across the threshold. Although as a conservative I recoil at government intrusion into my life, as a realist I recognize that without government intervention going back to the 19th century America would never have developed as fast as it did.

Without government money there would have been no canals to open the trans-Appalachian west; No transcontinental railroads until much much later; No commercial air travel (no airports, no aviation R&D); No Interstate Highway system; No nuclear generating plants producing electricity.

None of these enterprises made a profit initially, and many banks went broke funding growth in the 19th century. But we built this country on government assuming the risks, speculation and boom-bust cycles, and bad debt, for anyone who wants to know.

Maybe the time for government to act and pump life into the alternative energy field has arrived. If the people of California want to be the benefactors of the new energy economy, I say, Thanks.

47 posted on 12/13/2005 8:58:23 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Pretty sure this was originally John Campbell's baby.

Now he's been inflicted on the whole country...dang...


52 posted on 12/13/2005 10:33:22 PM PST by EternalVigilance (I support the FairTax for the sake of my children and grandchildren...)
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“With this program, California can finally get on track to becoming the world solar power leader,” said Bernadette Del Chiaro

That's what they said the last twelve times.

California is hilarious.

60 posted on 12/14/2005 2:52:43 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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Lookie, lookie:

Hertzberg (D) represented residents of the San Fernando Valley in the California State Assembly from 1996 to 2002, and was unanimously elected by both Democrats and Republicans to serve as Speaker of the Assembly from 2000 to 2002.

During his time in the Assembly, Hertzberg's energetic and bipartisan approach to problem solving earned him widespread recognition and success in addressing some of California's toughest problems, including the economy, education, traffic and crime.

After leaving the state Assembly, Bob Hertzberg returned to the private sector, joining the law firm of Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw. He also co-founded Solar Integrated Technologies, a startup firm located in South Los Angeles, developing the next generation of roofing materials to convert sunlight into environment-friendly power. And when Arnold Schwarzenegger was elected governor in an historic recall election, Hertzberg served as a key member of the governor-elect's transition team.

It would appear that the California Solar Initiative had a helping hand from at least one "uninterested" member of the Wilsonegger gang.

61 posted on 01/25/2006 9:06:31 PM PST by Amerigomag
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