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Hmm, and I thought that as Christians , we were supposed to obey civil authority (give to Caesar what is Caesar's) and now they want us to break the law and commit a sin by encouraging and fostering illegal immigration. Shall we do the same for Al-qaeda?
1 posted on 12/10/2005 1:30:47 PM PST by Coleus
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2 posted on 12/10/2005 1:30:58 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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Another reason I don't feel bad about leaving the Catholic church.
susie


3 posted on 12/10/2005 1:33:10 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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I was chastised earlier on FR for warning that the Catholic church was America's worst enemy. Catholics poo poohed it saying the Vatican was not involved in influencing American catholics.

The vatican is no different than Al Queda in it's desire to take over the world.

It must feel queasy about Europe and is doubling it's efforts to take over America.

The Vatican never agreed to Freedom of religion.


5 posted on 12/10/2005 1:39:17 PM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Chicken spit causes flu....... Fox News)
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And while Catholic teaching recognizes that nations have the right to control their own borders and to regulate immigration, “this right is not absolute,” said the bishops. Instead, they explained: “the needs of immigrants must be measured against the needs of the receiving countries, and that the rights of these nations must not be exaggerated to the point of denying access to needy people from other countries.”

pure Barbra Streisand. If they are fleeing political oppression OK. If economic malnutrition...no way!

6 posted on 12/10/2005 1:39:18 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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I guess filling the pews is the almighty most important issue.


7 posted on 12/10/2005 1:41:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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In 12 years of Catholic schooling we were NEVER once told that it was a requirement of our faith to embrace social and communist principles. Rerum Novarum MAY have been twisted by socialistic Catholics but NO Pope has stated as an article of faith that there is no right to private property. This letter is pure BS by deluded, socialist, economically ignorant clergy.


8 posted on 12/10/2005 1:41:59 PM PST by NHResident (i)
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In 12 years of Catholic schooling we were NEVER once told that it was a requirement of our faith to embrace social and communist principles. Rerum Novarum MAY have been twisted by socialistic Catholics but NO Pope has stated as an article of faith that there is no right to private property. This letter is pure BS by deluded, socialist, economically ignorant clergy.


9 posted on 12/10/2005 1:42:18 PM PST by NHResident (i)
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It is absolutely apropriate for a church to welcome all human beings into a church.

It is a tragedy that migrants are dying attempting to cross the desert. One good way to stop these deaths, is with a long fence... How about that for immigration reform. Stop illegal immigration cold, then raise and lower legal immigration levels as the economy needs. Mexico should become less corrupt and more condusive for investment, but that is mostly their problem to resolve.


10 posted on 12/10/2005 1:42:25 PM PST by Mount Athos
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The Catholic church has been running an Underground Railroad for Illegals for decades.

I live in a a town of about 7000 people. The Hispanic population in the area about 3%. Our Catholic Church added a Spanish service, then for some reason ended it. But now all services are Spanish and English, roughly 50/50, complete with Mariachi style hymns. The change is far from popular. Attendance is down, many have complained, but the Church seems to not care at all.


13 posted on 12/10/2005 1:44:36 PM PST by moehoward
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Add this to the Kentucky bishops calling "adequate health care a basic human right"


14 posted on 12/10/2005 1:45:15 PM PST by Teacher317
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Wonder if anyone is going to make this a 'separation of Church and State' issue?

Nah, just good citizens voicing their individual opinions all at once.

19 posted on 12/10/2005 1:50:52 PM PST by norton
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I am a practicing Catholic who is one of many like-minded conservative Catholics who disagree with the AZ bishops on this. Bluntly, their flock is different than mine, and mine stops at the AZ/Sonora border.

However I am disgusted and appalled by the vicious anti-Catholicism by many of the posters on this thread, and wonder if I should continue to keep cybercompany with such people.
20 posted on 12/10/2005 1:51:33 PM PST by conservativehistorian (.)
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Those Bishops are outlaws.


37 posted on 12/10/2005 2:46:43 PM PST by RoadTest (As teens we know everything; by 90, if we're wise, we'll know nothing.)
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The federal government should remove tax-exempt status from law-breaking churches whether they be catholic or protestant.


41 posted on 12/10/2005 3:33:10 PM PST by Mogollon
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"We must find a way to bring them out of the shadows and incorporate them into society,” said the bishops."

Yeah, right man! Good luck Father.


47 posted on 12/10/2005 7:21:55 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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50 posted on 12/11/2005 1:50:43 PM PST by gubamyster
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The bishops of Arizona are calling on Catholics to welcome immigrants into their parishes, whether documented or undocumented, and to work to reform the U.S. immigration laws in an effort to facilitate immigration and stem the growing number of migrant deaths at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Perhaps the good bishops would like to pray for the Americans killed by illegal alien  drunk drivers  and the victims of  rapes  prepetrated by illegal aliens. When they're done praying for these victime they can do some penance for aiding and abetting these criminals and then STFU.

52 posted on 12/11/2005 3:48:45 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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Start building the fence.

It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.

I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.
55 posted on 12/11/2005 4:23:50 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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“the needs of immigrants must be measured against the needs of the receiving countries, and that the rights of these nations must not be exaggerated to the point of denying access to needy people from other countries.”

This feller's got a good idea...It's claimed there is billions in gold in and under the Vatican...Let's round these illegal criminals up and send them to Italy...I say let the 'church' give back a little of what it pulls in...After all, I'm a very compassionate person...

57 posted on 12/11/2005 6:04:17 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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If they want them here, they should have to support them 100%. They do not. Catholic Charities is responsible for a lot of this illegal pandering...

In Los Angeles, they started the day labor camps. Now they are tired of paying to keep them going and the taxpayers are having these centers dumped in their lap.


58 posted on 12/11/2005 6:05:19 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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