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SETI and Intelligent Design
space.com ^ | posted: 01 December 2005 | Seth Shostak

Posted on 12/02/2005 8:35:59 AM PST by ckilmer

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it is curious that seti is accepted in the scientific community and id is not
1 posted on 12/02/2005 8:36:00 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
I remember an old episode of Cheers ...
In which Cliff Clavin was shown to be rather stupid ...
And that's why Intelligent Design is so silly ...

Straw man, anyone?.

2 posted on 12/02/2005 8:40:05 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: RadioAstronomer

Do you know Seth? If you do, tell him thanks for the great article :-)


3 posted on 12/02/2005 8:40:08 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: ckilmer

The difference is that we can find concrete evidence through SETI, but not through ID.


4 posted on 12/02/2005 8:41:06 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Morning ping. Even if this isn't worthy of cranking up the ping machine, this should be archived as a means of comparing good vs. bad/bogus science in the context of the ID debate.


5 posted on 12/02/2005 8:42:17 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

"Well you see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as
the slowest buffalo and when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones
at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a
whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by
the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain
can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive
drinking of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and
weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates
the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. And
that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers."


6 posted on 12/02/2005 8:43:42 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: ckilmer

Does anyone know what the radio frequencies from Earth would "look like" if someone was in another star system doing the same, SETI-like experiment?


7 posted on 12/02/2005 8:50:33 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: ckilmer

"All your intelligent design are belong to me"

8 posted on 12/02/2005 8:52:10 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: ckilmer

Sounds like this might be Cliff the Postman pretending to be an actual scientist. By the way SETI did have one important function. It has thoroughly debunked the concept of a big bang beginning by acknowledging that there are many blue shift situations whereas a big bang would require an expanding universe with only red shifts!

ID is just as valid as any conceptual theory and probably fits the current, factual information better than other more traditionally held theories. SETI is probably worried that their funding might be cut if they do not support the politically correct version of reporting.


9 posted on 12/02/2005 8:52:18 AM PST by ProfSci (An Actual Scientist)
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To: ClearCase_guy

SETI must be going reeeeeal slow these days. Shostak has a lot of time on his hands to weave strawmans to peddle.

That's before actually tackling questions of ID's validity. He's just a sloppy debater who skates by on an inflated impression of his reputation.


10 posted on 12/02/2005 8:52:46 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: ckilmer

Well, it’s because the credibility of the evidence is not predicated on its complexity. If SETI were to announce that we’re not alone because it had detected a signal, it would be on the basis of artificiality.
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this is a gob smaker. so the signature of intelligence is its artificiality.


11 posted on 12/02/2005 8:57:14 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: RightWingAtheist
Have you tried looking closely at your lawn, you'll find more there than at SETI.
12 posted on 12/02/2005 8:57:20 AM PST by fella (Political Correctness = Stuck On Stupid)
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To: ProfSci

?


13 posted on 12/02/2005 9:02:04 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: RightWingAtheist

What is truly amazing here is that this guy makes the case for ID!!

He claims that SETI is seeking narrow, organized signals, much in the same way we can discern if an object if fabricated by the unnatural appearance and shape.

Well, life is an organization of chemicals and elements that exist everywhere, but when assembled properly----life.

ID purports that such organization is evidence of design at work rather than random chance.

The radio signals sought by SETI are those organized and not those emanating from random chance.


14 posted on 12/02/2005 9:03:47 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: ckilmer; wallcrawlr

Ping


15 posted on 12/02/2005 9:04:05 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Celebrating my first full year on FR! Has it been one year already?? Has it only been one year??)
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To: ProfSci
Sounds like this might be Cliff the Postman pretending to be an actual scientist.

Well, he is the senior astronomer at SETI, and his cv says his Ph.D is in astronomy from Caltech, so mabe we can give him the benefit of the doubt.

...a big bang would require an expanding universe with only red shifts!

Uhhh, no, it wouldn't require that.

16 posted on 12/02/2005 9:06:15 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: RightWingAtheist

Our of curiousity, what is the "concrete evidence" that points to extraterrestrial intelligence?


17 posted on 12/02/2005 9:07:45 AM PST by sheltonmac (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
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To: ckilmer
Nature, for its part, seems unoffended.


18 posted on 12/02/2005 9:23:07 AM PST by Physicist
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To: ProfSci
By the way SETI did have one important function. It has thoroughly debunked the concept of a big bang beginning by acknowledging that there are many blue shift situations whereas a big bang would require an expanding universe with only red shifts!

This, plus your claim to be An Actual Scientist, is making my B.S. meter twitch. Explain how the Big Bang cancels all proper motion, and renders orbital mechanics invalid.

19 posted on 12/02/2005 9:29:56 AM PST by Physicist
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it is curious that seti is accepted in the scientific community and id is not

That's because "intelligent design" has absolutely no scientific basis but SETI does...as the article explains quite well.

20 posted on 12/02/2005 9:39:35 AM PST by Ophiucus
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