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To: RightWingAtheist

What is truly amazing here is that this guy makes the case for ID!!

He claims that SETI is seeking narrow, organized signals, much in the same way we can discern if an object if fabricated by the unnatural appearance and shape.

Well, life is an organization of chemicals and elements that exist everywhere, but when assembled properly----life.

ID purports that such organization is evidence of design at work rather than random chance.

The radio signals sought by SETI are those organized and not those emanating from random chance.


14 posted on 12/02/2005 9:03:47 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Erik Latranyi
What is truly amazing here is that this guy makes the case for ID!!

Please reread the article - especially the conclusion. ID claims that naturally occurring complexity must be artificial since it is complex - a circular logic fallacy. SETI is looking for a signal that has a simplicity and efficiency that can not be observed being produced by any natural source. This indicates a possible artificial source. The evidence builds if it can be reproduced or a mechanism could be constructed for reproduction.

25 posted on 12/02/2005 10:00:36 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Erik Latranyi
organized signals

Huh?

29 posted on 12/02/2005 10:21:36 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Erik Latranyi
"What is truly amazing here is that this guy makes the case for ID!!

Only if you are willing to mentally squint really hard.

"He claims that SETI is seeking narrow, organized signals, much in the same way we can discern if an object if fabricated by the unnatural appearance and shape.

Nothing was said about 'organized', unless you consider a simple basic signal to be 'organized'. If this is your idea of organized it contradicts other IDist's concepts.

"Well, life is an organization of chemicals and elements that exist everywhere, but when assembled properly----life.

Said, well said!

"ID purports that such organization is evidence of design at work rather than random chance.

ID claims that 'specified' complexity is the basis of intelligence. Complexity as defined by Dembski is analogous to low probability but high compressibility, where Behe defines it as low compressibility.

"The radio signals sought by SETI are those organized and not those emanating from random chance.

Emanating from random chance? What exactly does that mean?

144 posted on 12/02/2005 7:35:04 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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