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Border Security an Issue for GOP
LA Times ^ | 11/27/2005 | Janet Hook

Posted on 11/27/2005 10:07:14 AM PST by VictoryGal

WASHINGTON — Illegal immigration has emerged as a major issue in political campaigns around the country, adding an element of emotional intensity that Republicans hope will excite their conservative supporters — but that also threatens to split the party.

The issue is most intense in states along the southern border, where President Bush will travel this week to promote his plan to stem illegal immigration. But concerns about the flow of such immigrants into the U.S. are cropping up in states far removed from Mexico and Central America.

The debate pits advocates of strict new immigration limits against powerful business interests that rely on cheap immigrant labor. That divide is apparent in contentious campaigns in which immigration-control activists are challenging establishment Republicans.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; amnesty; border; borders; bordersecurity; bush; gop; illegal; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; issues; minutemen; politics; presidentbush; shamnesty; willingemployers; willingworkers
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If this is a move in the right direction by the President, great. I'll take it, even if it falls a little short of a strong Tancredo stance. HOWEVER, if this is a smokescreen for more of the same liberal "guest worker" nonsense, Republicans will continue to lose ground. But more importantly, America will continue to lose her security and treasure to the invaders.

I really hope this is a real effort this time. Please, please let it be.

1 posted on 11/27/2005 10:07:15 AM PST by VictoryGal
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To: VictoryGal

If this is true, it must be the first time.


2 posted on 11/27/2005 10:12:52 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: VictoryGal
same liberal "guest worker" nonsense,

YEP.....Sanatorium(sp)said those exact words the other day!

....Same BS!

3 posted on 11/27/2005 10:13:20 AM PST by SweetCaroline (What shall it profit a person if they gain a million dollars, but looses their soul?)
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To: VictoryGal
Actually I would like to see some of the handwringing chest thumpers in the US Congress actually put FORWARD some legislation for a change. Funny how the Congress is all so arrogant about being "A co-equal" branch of Govt right up to the point we ask them to actually LEAD on an issue.

It is ok for the Congress critters to whine and cry about this issue all the time and do NOTHING? Sorry but the Congress is a co-equal branch of the US Govt. I expect them to put their ACTIONS up to match their whine about Bush and the border all the time words. It is a question I am going to put to a number of Congresscritters when they are home this Christmas. I suggest anyone who is worried about the boarder do the same. If you talk, they hear. If you wait for someone else to talk for you, nothing, or worse, will get done

4 posted on 11/27/2005 10:13:43 AM PST by MNJohnnie (To be a "Peace Now Democrat" is to be Pro Mass Murder/Rape/Torture)
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To: VictoryGal
GOP is catering to their corporate masters rather than upholding the law.

Sad...

5 posted on 11/27/2005 10:14:07 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (JOE WILSON IS A MUTHAFAKING LIAR)
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To: MNJohnnie

> Actually I would like to see some of the handwringing chest thumpers in the US Congress actually put FORWARD some legislation for a change.

I'd like to see someone stand up and enforce the CURRENT LAWS. Excuse me, someone in Government-- citizens stepped up to the plate like champs.

Maybe the new laws we need are stricter penalties for violating the current laws.


6 posted on 11/27/2005 10:20:25 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: VictoryGal
Please, please let it be.

I don't think so, W and Pubbies have muffed this so long and so badly that I don't see any turnaround.

The only hope is a Constructionist SCOTUS that will reinstate anti illegal alien laws and initiatives. It's a long fight ahead.

7 posted on 11/27/2005 10:28:04 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: VictoryGal

"An October survey by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found that 51% of those polled said they believed that reducing illegal immigration should be a top priority — up from 42% in September 1997."

Following this trend, in 24 years it will reach the 2/3 needed to overcome a Presidential veto.


8 posted on 11/27/2005 10:43:31 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: VictoryGal
I'd like to see someone stand up and enforce the CURRENT LAWS.

I've been saying this for years. Same goes for gun laws. We don't need more, just ENFORCE EXISTING laws.

*rolling eyes with disgust*

9 posted on 11/27/2005 10:52:03 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: truth_seeker

> Following this trend, in 24 years it will reach the 2/3 needed to overcome a Presidential veto.

By then, the US born children of these illegals will be in the majority... :-(


10 posted on 11/27/2005 10:53:22 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: SweetCaroline

Bush will say it again, and it will cause another 4 million to head north.


11 posted on 11/27/2005 10:53:45 AM PST by moehoward
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

Ping!


12 posted on 11/27/2005 10:56:27 AM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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How did all of this get blamed on President Bush? He was not the one who started the catch and release system. He is not the one who appointed all of the liberal judges who have constantly castrated immigration law.
These are all liberal goals of our past. Agra business needs some foreign workers, but this can be dealt with with worker programs. These programs are not new, we have had them in the past, and they have worked in the past.
13 posted on 11/27/2005 11:09:40 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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Bush has decided unilaterally to not push workplace enforcement. He has also decided that "family values don't end at the Rio Grande".

We don't need foreign workers, do you know what the history is in Europe? They come, and THEY DON'T LEAVE.

Germany is dealing with third generation "temporary" Turkish workers who don't integrate, and support Islamic extremism. All of Europe has imported low skilled workers from former European colonies, and are now dealing with the issue of Islamic extremism caused by their search for cheap labor. Do you think that the US is immune from these problems just because most of our temp workers are from Mexico?

Do we want to be like Saudi Arabia? They have a massive guest worker program, so massive that young Saudis face extremely high unemployment, but who are TOO PROUD to take the jobs that the guest workers do. Is that the kind of country we want to be? A bunch of spoiled lazy snobs?

Support the True Enforcement Bill, a synopsis is available at http://www.fairus.org.


14 posted on 11/27/2005 11:43:00 AM PST by bordergal
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To: VictoryGal; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
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IIRC, there are at least 4 bills working their way through the House and Senate right now that deal with border security, guest workers (McCain/Kennedy), building a wall, and increasing interior enforcement.

15 posted on 11/27/2005 11:43:52 AM PST by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Season's Greetings ~)
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To: VictoryGal
President Bush will travel this week to promote his plan to stem illegal immigration...

In other words, he will "stem" it by making 11 - 20 million here "legal" when he continues to ram his shamnesties down taxpayer throats.

16 posted on 11/27/2005 11:48:30 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: VictoryGal

While the U.S. pays out hundreds of billions of dollars in unemployment and welfare benefits, it's leaders propose that we need more workers.

Not only do they suck us dry paying for those who do not work, they want us to pay tens of billions of dollars to support the guest workers themselves.

Talk about a lose lose...

There will be a guest worker component. That guest worker component will change all illegal aliens to guest workers. Voyola, problem solved. There will be no illegal aliens anymore.


17 posted on 11/27/2005 11:49:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: bordergal
Germany is dealing with third generation "temporary" Turkish workers who don't integrate, and support Islamic extremism.

We've got Central Americans here on temporary protected status from disasters a decade ago. I don't know who politicians think they're fooling with their guest worker rhetoric, everyone knows temporary really means permanent.

18 posted on 11/27/2005 11:52:06 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: HiJinx
Everyone who posts on these threads needs to contact their Congresscriiter and Senator and demand that they start pushing for proper legislation to curb/reverse illegal immigration. You'll get a nice condescending letter from them (I'm building quite a collection); but enough voice will move Congress to do something.AWB
19 posted on 11/27/2005 11:56:49 AM PST by Americanwolfsbrother (Don't hate on someone for using their mind.)
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To: VictoryGal
The debate pits advocates of strict new immigration limits against powerful business interests that rely on cheap immigrant labor.

Whoa, what happened to the Republicans trying to be inclusive, pander to Hispanic voteers excuse?

The cheap labor lobby used to trot that one out to provide cover for their uninspiring pecuniary motives, but I it looks like not even the LA Times falls for it anymore.

20 posted on 11/27/2005 12:03:07 PM PST by Plutarch
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