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Did Under Secretary of State Nicholas Burns Commit Perjury Before Senate?
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Posted on 11/14/2005 8:00:59 AM PST by Ezekiel2517

CROATIAN WORLDWIDE ASSOCIATION

November 10, 2005

The Hon. Richard G. Lugar Chairman Senate Foreign Relations Committee 450 Dirksen Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510 The Hon. Joseph R. Biden Ranking Member Senate Foreign Relations Committee 439 Dirksen Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510

Re: Request for Investigation into Potential Perjury by R. Nicholas Burns, Under Secretary for Political Affairs

Dear Senators Lugar and Biden:

We write to you to alert you to certain false statements made by R. Nicholas Burns, Under Secretary of Political Affairs, in a hearing before your committee on November 8, 2005, titled “Kosovo: A Way Forward?” Our concern focuses on two statements made by Mr. Burns concerning General Ante Gotovina, a Croatian general indicted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (“ICTY”) for alleged crimes committed in 1995 during a military operation known as “Operation Storm.” Specifically, Mr. Burns told the committee that Gotovina was in fact a “despicable war criminal” who was “responsible for Europe’s worst human rights abuses since the Nazis.” Gotovina has not been convicted of any crime as he is still a fugitive from the Tribunal, and is still presumed innocent. We note that Mr. Burns went beyond telling the Committee that Gotovina was “indicted for war crimes,” which would have been an accurate statement of the facts. Instead, Burns suggests in his comments to the Committee that he has a factual basis to conclude even before trial that Gotovina is in fact guilty of war crimes.

We believe there is evidence that suggests Burns knew or had reason to know that Gotovina is in fact not guilty of the crimes with which he has been charged by the ICTY, and therefore his statements to the Committee about Gotovina were false. First, the United States Ambassador to Croatia in 1995, Amb. Peter Galbraith, has publicly declared that the principal allegations against Gotovina are false. Specifically, the ICTY’s primary charge against Gotovina is that he is responsible for the deportation, or “ethnic cleansing,” of approximately 150,000 Croatian Serbs from Croatia. Amb. Galbraith has on the record on numerous occasions stated that this allegation is false, telling Newsweek magazine on August 27, 2001, “The fact is, the population left before the Croatian army got there. . . .You can’t deport people who have already left.” Amb. Galbraith later confirmed this fact to the Sarajevo newspaper “Dani,” stating that, “We have to understand first of all that the Serb population left their homes before the Croatian Army took over, so it is very difficult to defend the view that the Croatian Army drove out the Serbs. This was very different from Prijedor, Visegrad and other places that are synonyms for the Bosnian genocide.”

Amb. Galbraith was later called by the ICTY to testify in the trial of Slobodan Milosevic. In his sworn testimony to the Tribunal and under cross-examination by Milosevic, Amb. Galbraith testified under oath that the Croatian military under General Gotovina’s leadership did not deport, terrorize or ethnically cleanse the Croatian Serb population, as is alleged in the indictment against Gotovina:

Q. You were talking yesterday in explaining your interview to the BBC that it wasn't ethnic cleansing [i.e. Croatia’s Operation Storm] because the people had fled before any kind of paramilitaries entered. Now, do you happen to know that the people had fled in the face of the grenades and shelling? Knin was heavily shelled and so were the surrounding areas. Or do you think they just escaped and fled just like that because they feared the Croatian army which was nearby? I'm sure you will remember that the attack began precisely with the heavy shelling of Knin itself. A. Well, I'm sure that people fled the shelling, and I'm sure that people fled because they feared the Croatian army. The shelling was relatively brief because there was effective no resistance. I think Knin fell within 24 hours. Q. Therefore, you're claiming that it -- it's not ethnic cleansing when you use shells to destroy a town and inhabitants have to flee, but you only consider it to be ethnic cleansing from the point that troops enter the town and start to slaughter the people and set fire to the houses? Is that the limit, is that the borderline where you differentiate what is and is not ethnic cleansing? A. The first point is that -- just a factual matter. Knin was not destroyed. In fact, it was not all that heavily damaged. I had embassy officers in there within a few days of the Croatian takeover. Second, as to what constitutes ethnic cleansing, I would say that it is a combination of -- and the important word here is the "combination" of military actions, certainly can include shelling. It includes the entry of troops into the territory -- into a village, but it also includes when the people are there executions, beatings, torture, you know, burning of houses, rape, activities intending to terrorise the population and force them to leave. Q. All right. Now, did all of this actually take place, Mr. Galbraith? Did it happen, all that together, all the things that you enumerated taken together, did they happen? A. They happened in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and they happened in Croatia. Did they happen in Operation Storm? No, because the population had -- almost all of it had already left before the Croatian military entered the towns and, therefore, there were basically no people there for them to terrorise. Burns’ sworn testimony to the Committee that Gotovina is guilty of the crimes of which he is charged, making him a “despicable war criminal,” is thus in direct contradiction to the sworn testimony of the United States Ambassador who was on the ground and who was an eyewitness to events. Burns has never shared (publicly) with the Committee any facts to suggest that Ambassador Galbraith’s version of events is erroneous. Mr. Burns’s testimony to the Committee also appears to be at odds with the views of the Pentagon concerning Croatia’s Operation Storm. On March 21, 1999, the New York Times reported that the ICTY was investigating General Gotovina and others for their actions during Operation Storm, including the deportation of the Croatian Serb population and the alleged “excessive shelling of Knin” by General Gotovina which allegedly caused the Serbs to flee. The New York Times article states that Pentagon officials told the Tribunal that the shelling of Knin was a “legitimate military target.” The New York Times article essentially states that the Pentagon disagreed with the assessment of the ICTY that Operation Storm amounted to an “ethnic cleansing” operation. Accordingly, Mr. Burns’s testimony condemning General Gotovina as a war criminal appears to be contradicted by the positions taken by the Pentagon before the ICTY. Mr. Burns’s conviction of General Gotovina even before trial is troublesome in and of itself because Mr. Burns mocks the presumption of innocence that is guaranteed to all indictees of the ICTY. Even more troubling, however, is the fact that Mr. Burns’s testimony to the Committee concerning General Gotovina is contradicted by the sworn testimony of the United States Ambassador in the region and by the Pentagon. The Committee should therefore take appropriate action to investigate the factual basis for Mr. Burns’s assertion that Gotovina is not merely a war crimes indictee, but a “despicable war criminal” guilty of the worst atrocities in Europe since the Nazis. While we understand that defending the presumption of innocence of persons indicted for war crimes may not be high on the list of priorities of the Committee, we believe a much more fundamental principal is at issue here: the obligation of members of the executive branch to be accurate with their statements and assessments to Congress and to avoid exaggerations, distortions, false statements, or reckless disregard for the truth. We believe that Mr. Burns knew, or reasonably should have known, that his condemnation of Gotovina was without factual basis. Accordingly, we respectfully request that the Committee investigate this matter and take appropriate action should it conclude that Mr. Burns made false and misleading statements in his testimony to the Committee. Sincerely,

Jackie Prkic President Croatian Worldwide Association P.O. Box 81226 Chicago, IL 60681


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1 posted on 11/14/2005 8:01:02 AM PST by Ezekiel2517
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To: Ezekiel2517

If Gotovina is innocent, why is he in hiding as a fugitive?


3 posted on 11/14/2005 8:04:36 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Ezekiel2517

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4 posted on 11/14/2005 8:05:01 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Ezekiel2517

So he is charged with war crimes and a U.S. official thinks he is guilty while his defenders say he is not guilty.

That doesn't make it perjury.


5 posted on 11/14/2005 8:05:30 AM PST by gondramB
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To: Ezekiel2517
Criminalizing politics, it's the Dum dims 2006 plan for America. Except of course for them, then they just outright lie.
6 posted on 11/14/2005 8:06:01 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: expatpat
<> Maybe for the same reason that the U.S. hasn't signed on to the International Criminal Court? Or are you in favor of extradicting Tommy Franks to the ICC in The Hague?
7 posted on 11/14/2005 8:09:03 AM PST by Ezekiel2517
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To: Ezekiel2517

Seems like these folks have decided that Mr. Burns is guilty of what they charge too!! Hello....I'm not real concerned with any of this if the dude vanished, won't return, and noone can fnd him, how can you say he did not do as charged? If he didn't need to hide and run, then why did he hide and run? I think they have their heads screwed on wrong in this group!


8 posted on 11/14/2005 8:11:06 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: DustyMoment
Thanks for saving me the trouble!



9 posted on 11/14/2005 8:11:49 AM PST by G.Mason (The barbarians are at the gate ... the Democrats and RINO's stand ready to open it for them)
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To: geezerwheezer

Maybe for the same reason that the U.S. hasn't signed on to the International Criminal Court? Or are you in favor of extradicting Tommy Franks to the ICC in The Hague?


10 posted on 11/14/2005 8:15:55 AM PST by Ezekiel2517
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To: geezerwheezer

I know I wouldn't cooperate or turn myself in to the ICJ...guilty or not guilty , so I can't condemn him for running. And I do think there sounds like there is merit in the letter's explanation. But I hold no brief for Gotovina one way or the other except I believe in the presumption of innocence.


11 posted on 11/14/2005 8:17:29 AM PST by Roamin53 (World War III started on Bill Clinton's watch....he just wasn't sure which side he was on!)
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To: Ezekiel2517

Burns should be indicted. Anything to trash the weasels in the Department of S**t


12 posted on 11/14/2005 8:18:39 AM PST by montag813
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To: expatpat
If Gotovina is innocent, why is he in hiding as a fugitive?

Because he doesn't want to be dragged before The International Kangaroo Kourt?

I won't get into an argument whether he has committed crimes or not. I'll just point out that there was a three-sided messy war, and I fail to see why the State Department is still supporting the Muslim terrorists as if they were the only angels in the Balkans.

Clinton fought the Kosovo war on the wrong side, on behalf of Greater Albania, and we have been paying a high price for it ever since.

13 posted on 11/14/2005 8:24:43 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
I agree the IKK is something to be avoided, but my point was that it's a bit much to claim perjury here when the accused has been indicted and refuses to face his accusers.

Clinton fought the Kosovo war on the wrong side, on behalf of Greater Albania, and we have been paying a high price for it ever since.

We are in full agreement here, but the Serbs weren't the only ones behaving badly, the Croats Nd Albanians were, also.

14 posted on 11/14/2005 8:40:59 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Ezekiel2517

I am most certainly not in favor of Gen Franks turning himself in to this type of court, and I most certainly think it is a farce of a court anyway. By the same token, who is behind this association based in Chicago and who are they to accuse Mr. Burns of perjury. If its' good for the goose...


15 posted on 11/14/2005 8:56:10 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Ezekiel2517

Dimwits. That's why he didn't claim he was a "convicted war criminal". OJ Simpson wasn't a convicted wife-killer, but I can still say he killed his wife.

I don't know how we get any good people to serve in our country. Every time you are forced to appear before the senate, you risk losing your job and your freedom. I couldn't believe Rafael Palmiero was actually in danger of serving time.

All he did was use some steroids, a perfectly legal substance. How that became a federal government issue is scary. Let baseball throw him out or punish him, but this persecution of people for testimony is getting really dangerous.


16 posted on 11/14/2005 8:58:14 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Ezekiel2517

Saddam Hussein hasnt been convicted yet either, does that mean he's not a despicable creature and guilty of various serious crimes?


17 posted on 11/14/2005 8:58:44 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Dave S

Dear Dave, if your own people in the State Department have concluded that Gotovina is not guilty of the crimes for which he is charged, and then you go before the Senate and claim that he is guilty, then you have a problem. To my knowledge, no one in the State Department claims that Saddam is not guilty, so your comparison is off point.


18 posted on 11/14/2005 9:02:00 AM PST by Ezekiel2517
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To: Roamin53

My point is simple..that being, beware of whom you accuse of perjury, the basis of innocence is strong until you are found guilty of it. Mr. Burns expressed his view, and that was all. As far as Clinton's administration and who they supported is another story totally. I'm still not convinced we did any good there in Bosnia, but I do know it is really still a mess of mass proportions-thanks to Clinton's policies and our weak State Department at that time. they left Bush one hell of a mess to clean up, and we are still paying for his (Clinton's) abject failure there.


19 posted on 11/14/2005 9:03:02 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Baynative

Deceiving the Senate has no consequence. It has become common place since they have chosen to prove themselves irrelevant"

It was especially obvious that lying to the Senate was irrelevant (if you were a Dem and the Dems were in control) when a US Treasury official contradicted his own written evidence by saying he lied to his diary.

Any notion that Senate hearings were more than tawdry political shows went out the window when they let him get away with that.


20 posted on 11/14/2005 9:03:49 AM PST by wildbill
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