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Santorum: Don't put intelligent design in classroom
Beaver County Times & Allegheny Times ^ | 11/13/5 | Bill Vidonic

Posted on 11/13/2005 3:49:41 PM PST by Crackingham

U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said Saturday that he doesn't believe that intelligent design belongs in the science classroom. Santorum's comments to The Times are a shift from his position of several years ago, when he wrote in a Washington Times editorial that intelligent design is a "legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in the classroom."

But on Saturday, the Republican said that, "Science leads you where it leads you."

Santorum was in Beaver Falls to present Geneva College President Kenneth A. Smith with a $1.345 million check from federal funds for renovations that include the straightening and relocation of Route 18 through campus.

Santorum's comments about intelligent design come at a time when the belief that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power, an alternative to the theory of evolution, has come under fire on several fronts.

A federal trial just wrapped up in which eight families sued Dover Area School District in eastern Pennsylvania. The district's school board members tried to introduce teaching intelligent design into the classroom, but the families said the policy violated the constitutional separation of church and state. No ruling has been issued on the trial, but Tuesday, all eight Dover School Board members up for re-election were ousted by voters, leading to a fiery tirade by religious broadcaster Pat Robertson.

Robertson warned residents, "If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city."

Santorum said flatly Saturday, "I disagree. I don't believe God abandons people," and said he has not spoken to Robertson about his comments.

Though Santorum said he believes that intelligent design is "a legitimate issue," he doesn't believe it should be taught in the classroom, adding that he had concerns about some parts of the theory.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 109th; creationism; crevolist; evilution; evolution; goddoodit; havemercyonusohlord; intelligentdesign; monkeygod; santorum; scienceeducation
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1 posted on 11/13/2005 3:49:43 PM PST by Crackingham
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To: PatrickHenry

You have been pung.


2 posted on 11/13/2005 3:51:47 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Crackingham

Spectre-Part-II-BUMP!


3 posted on 11/13/2005 3:52:55 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Let O'Connor Go Home! Hasn't She Suffered Enough? Hasn't The CONSTITUTION Suffered Enough?)
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To: Crackingham

If faith baised issues should not be taught in schools, then evolution (as it applies to the origin of man) should not be taught there either.

If one unsustainable theory can be taught there, then all unsustainable theories should be able to be taught there.


4 posted on 11/13/2005 3:54:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Crackingham

I can't imagine why Santorum would even stick his foot into this one way or the other. No wonder he's so unpopular lately.


5 posted on 11/13/2005 3:55:53 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: LibertarianInExile
Spectre-Part-II-BUMP!

Yeah, no kidding!

When did Santorum lower his britches to get his onions pruned!

6 posted on 11/13/2005 3:57:31 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: marsh_of_mists
I can't imagine why Santorum would even stick his foot into this one way or the other. No wonder he's so unpopular lately.

A lot of conservatives have been raving about how great Santorum's been since he got elected. But I see nothing indicative that he's any sort of real conservative.

7 posted on 11/13/2005 3:58:52 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: DoughtyOne

"If faith baised issues should not be taught in schools, then evolution (as it applies to the origin of man) should not be taught there either."

He didn't say that faith based issues should not be taught in schools, he said they shouldn't be taught in a science classroom. Your use of the construction 'faith based issues' demonstrates why this is eminantly correct.


8 posted on 11/13/2005 4:00:17 PM PST by Canard
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To: Crackingham
Ah, this is just typical MSM pitting one religious person against another. Santorum is Catholic so he is pro-evolution. No surprise there. Of course he won't argue in favor of teaching a theory he disagrees with, though it would be nice if he had the class to support debate. Clearly the media long ago gave up on true political debate. In the media, the deck is always stacked in favor of liberals.

At this point I do not care whether intelligent design wins or not. It's not my theory entirely either. I just like the debate. But I don't care because I do not believe in the public school system. They are anti-Christian in every way -- every last one of them.

9 posted on 11/13/2005 4:00:56 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people. Ps. 14:34)
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Intelligent Design has an elegant answer to all problems posed to it: God did it!

What about gravity? God did it!

What about the moon? God did it!

See how easy that is?

10 posted on 11/13/2005 4:04:19 PM PST by dbb (godless atheist)
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To: Canard

Fine, then remove the unproven 'theory' of evolution from science classrooms. I have no problem with it. Thanks.


11 posted on 11/13/2005 4:07:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Fruitbat

I think most of his conservative reputation is built on the fact the Left savaged him that one time when he suggested (quite correctly) that homosexual marriage would lead to other deviances being similarly accepted. The Left biliously hates him for that and says he's a "radical, extremist right-wing nut". Hence, we like him.


12 posted on 11/13/2005 4:07:09 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: Crackingham

Santorum - watch how fast this guys scrambles for anyone to like him.

Run Ricky run...


13 posted on 11/13/2005 4:07:29 PM PST by Jake The Goose
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To: dbb
See how easy that is?

Almost as easy as calling you a troll. Almost.

APf

14 posted on 11/13/2005 4:08:29 PM PST by APFel (Loose ships sink lips.)
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To: balrog666
You have been pung.

Thanks. I'll crank up the list. This is important because: (a) it's Santorum; and (b) it shows how the GOP is learning from the Dover fiasco.

15 posted on 11/13/2005 4:14:57 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Evolution Ping

The List-O-Links
A conservative, pro- evolution science list, now with over 320 names.
See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
Two links to assist beginners: But it's "just a theory"
and How to argue against a scientific theory.

16 posted on 11/13/2005 4:16:16 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: dbb

Yes, God DID do it. That gravity, thermodynamics and all the laws of physics can mostly be explained does not negate the God Who created it or sustains it.

That you do not believe it is not the universal measuring stick for others. That you deny it does not invalidate it. And the in-your-face simpleton labels you throw back at the believer is a purely sanctimonious retort. Faith required in the astronomical possibility of evolution is far greater than a faith required to believe in God, but the God Whom I choose to believe in is far more complex and powerful than that of evolution….so, why is that so simpleton?


17 posted on 11/13/2005 4:16:30 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Crackingham; Victoria Delsoul
The ROT of "itching ears" Spreads:

Santorum said flatly Saturday, "I disagree. I don't believe God abandons people,"

Remember these verses, Rick?

Remember the Garden of Eden?
Genesis Chapter 3, verse 4. "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"....Gen. 3:23-24 "23. therefore Jehovah God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden the Cherubim, and the flame of a sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Or how about the Flood?
Genesis 6:13-14 "13. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14. Make thee an ark..."

And perhaps you also don't believe in Sodom & Gomorrah?
Genesis 19:24-25. "Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah out of heaven. 25. And he overthrew those cities, and all the Plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground."

I wonder if this habit of supposedly Christian-subscribing politicians reading out of existence these clear expressions of God's righteousness...and previous practice of "abandonment" of sinning people (those who consciously abandon God)...is a good indication of a similar inclination by these politicians to disregard the U.S. Constitution?

18 posted on 11/13/2005 4:19:13 PM PST by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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To: Crackingham
Though Santorum said he believes that intelligent design is "a legitimate issue," he doesn't believe it should be taught in the classroom, adding that he had concerns about some parts of the theory.

That's a big flip-flop from the Santorum admendment he proposed in the No Child Left Behind act

Too bad he learned a little too late that replacing science with mythology is a losing issue

19 posted on 11/13/2005 4:20:13 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Fruitbat
But I see nothing indicative that he's any sort of real conservative.

Being conservative has nothing to do with evolution or ID. For you to suggest otherwise is not correct.

20 posted on 11/13/2005 4:21:47 PM PST by staytrue
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