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An Empty Amendment
Washington Times ^ | 9 November 2005 | Washington Times Editorial

Posted on 11/09/2005 5:07:14 PM PST by concretebob

A bipartisan group of senators has attacked the president's intention to veto any legislation that includes Sen. John McCain's so-called anti-torture amendment. They claim that failure to make clear U.S. interrogation policy tarnishes not only our international standing, but also subverts the very idea of America.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crazytalkexpress; dofus; dofuss; dufuss; interrogate; interrogation; maroon; mccain; moron; moroon; senate; terrorist; wot
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To: concretebob

"....tarnishes not only our international standing...."

As if I give a rat's butt what our standing is internationally.


21 posted on 11/09/2005 6:07:54 PM PST by no dems (43 muscles to smile, 17 to frown, two to pull a trigger; I'm lazy and tired of smiling.)
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To: concretebob
I think Sen Dufus and his cohorts amendment should have something added to it in addition to prohibiting torturing illegal combatants held anywhere in the world by any government (if I phrased it properly).

I think it should be changed to state that every US citizen should wear a bullseye to make it easier for terrorists to kill them. Clothing that contrasts with the background should also be mandated to give the terrorists a fair chance.

Adequate funds should also be provided to provide them with proper, well prepared rations and clean linen. All cells should be equipped with a functioning thermostat. A medical practitioner should be available 24 hours per day for their exclusive use with specialists available for consultation in case of illness or injury.

Suggestion boxes should be available in every cell. IMHO.
22 posted on 11/09/2005 6:09:21 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: no dems

Great tagline..better than mine actually..I'm so jealous..


23 posted on 11/09/2005 6:12:43 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
I actually had that idea after Malvo and Muhammad started moving South, and wounded the Fla man outside an Ashland, VA resturant.
That was only 5 miles from my house.
Straight down I95.
I figured if I drew fire, someone else could gey a good fix on their position.
It was a little tense around here for awhile.
24 posted on 11/09/2005 6:17:12 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: concretebob
"In this section, the term "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment'' means "
... whatever any judge wants it to mean.

I'm all for the congress defining and banning acts it doesn't want members of the military or secret services to do to unlawful combatants. Obviously unlawful combatancy will be a growing problem as the world "globalizes" and good laws on the conduct of such hostilities would be a help.

But it isn't this easy. This is awful.

25 posted on 11/09/2005 6:19:46 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: concretebob
Rarely has there been such an unwise public debate.

--from the full article.

26 posted on 11/09/2005 6:32:34 PM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. George W. Bush)
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To: Albion Wilde
I know, I read it before I posted it.
No disrespect, Mam'm, but was there a point to your post?
27 posted on 11/09/2005 6:37:46 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: concretebob

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 11/09/2005 8:19:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: concretebob

Ping back to you.

My comments would be so profane that JimRob would ban me for life!


29 posted on 11/09/2005 9:02:17 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: concretebob

The way the proposal is written it would just about eliminate interrogations – except when prisoners want to betray their people just for the fun of it.


30 posted on 11/10/2005 2:57:17 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: concretebob
The biggest problem I see with this is that it gives no standards as to what is "torture".

I consider torture to be at minimum something that causes massive amounts of pain and some blood loss.

Is cranking up the ac or the heat torture? Not according to me but according to some nitwits yes.

Does this mean that the chairs in the interrogation rooms will no longs have one leg shorter. What about bathroom breaks? One very favorite tactic is to offer detainees plenty to drink and then keep them waiting for permission to use the bathroom until they are ready to pee their pants.

Is this degrading? Sure. Is it torture? Nah! If it is we are going to have to haul in half the school teachers in the country.

31 posted on 11/10/2005 3:18:54 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not all problems can be solved with a sledge hammer. Sometimes nitroglycerin is required. Or a Nuke)
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To: concretebob
"...But what's most troubling is that the amendment likely would be interpreted as a zero-tolerance policy against all effective interrogation techniques,..."

How to Interrogate Terrorists, by Heather McDonald

CB, I assume you already pinged IraqiKurd to this thread?

32 posted on 11/10/2005 4:32:14 AM PST by BufordP (Excluding the WOT, I haven't trusted W since he coined the term "compassionate conservative")
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To: iraqikurd

Ping.


33 posted on 11/10/2005 9:20:49 AM PST by BufordP (Excluding the WOT, I haven't trusted W since he coined the term "compassionate conservative")
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To: concretebob

If we have the Constitutional amendments, we don't need the law.

Once again, McClown is grandstanding, trying to undermine the administration and pandering to the media. This is another unneeded law, like McClown's unconstitutional McCain-Feingold bill.

Nothing that is generated by McClown, the President-elect-in-waiting, is worthwhile or beneficial - except to McClown.


34 posted on 11/10/2005 9:31:30 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: iraqikurd

First....If you think that our passing an anti-torture bill is going to make them think any differently about us, forget it. They don't believe it anyway. In fact, by making a big deal about it, we give the impression that this is NEW..that torture has been allowed up to this point. Now that it's out there, we're going to have to pass it...How can a senator vote FOR torture?? But we better get our definition of "torture" out of the hands of the democrats.
If torture is said to be anything that is "degrading" as I read it was, then we're going to have a problem! One person's "degradation" is another's effective, yet not physically abusive, technique. I can see the Dems now. We'd have hearing after hearing trying to decide if something was torture or not.
Let's pass the bill...but let's also NOT call agressive questionning "torture" as I fear the Dems will do...that is, until THEY get into the WH.


37 posted on 11/10/2005 6:24:28 PM PST by t2buckeye
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To: ALlRightAllTheTime; armymarinemom; tgslTakoma; Justanobody; 3D-JOY; Live free or die; Landry Fan; ..
From the "Daggone it I wish I'd wrote that" files

WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS?

Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we?

Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?

Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania? Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an! overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I don't. I don't care at all.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia.

I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling, slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberti! es are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest assured that I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and ---- you guessed it, I could not h! ave said this any better myself!

That's a fact! I don ' t care. Wish I could but I won ' t until a lot of attitudes from the radical Muslim terrorist changes. That ' s not likely, considering their past tyrannical, conquering and inhumane behavior [believe like us, or die] over the last 1400 years.

If you agree with this view point, pass this on to all your e-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior! If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button.

Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country.

And this is when I will care:

I'll care when stupid morons start worrying more about our rights than the rights of murdering thugs hiding behind a false religion, started by the original member of NAMBLA, to justify the abuse of women.

38 posted on 11/10/2005 7:09:12 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: concretebob
Veto it President Bush.

And then veto any budget that increases spending more than inflation.

And then veto any budget that doesn't contain provisions for drilling in ANWR.

And then veto each and every bill arriving laced with pork and salt.

It's long past time Dubya. Stand up and fight.

39 posted on 11/10/2005 7:14:14 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: mrsmith
But it isn't this easy. This is awful.

It's called covering an ample ass while taking an undeserved bow. Our Senate, in a word, sucks.

40 posted on 11/10/2005 7:17:08 PM PST by jwalsh07
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