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The Vichy Solution (Will France surrender its cherished secularism to mollify Muslims?)
The American Prowler ^ | 11/9/2005 | George Neumayr

Posted on 11/08/2005 10:09:59 PM PST by nickcarraway

Even as the French authorities downplay the role of Islam in the riots, they tacitly acknowledge it by calling on Imams to issue fatwas against the rioters. But the rioters -- recognizing that these government-approved Imams are secularized stooges in hock to French pols -- aren't very concerned. "Fatwa! Don't make me laugh," a rioter said to the press after the Union of Islamic Organizations ordered them to stop. "We don't feel represented by those people. We didn't vote for them. They're just filling their pockets."

The reliance of the French authorities on a stable of feckless Muslim mediators is an acknowledgment of the Other France -- a population of seething Muslims who now refer to themselves as living in "occupied territory." Jacques Chirac speaks grandly of "the Republic," but it is fast eroding if it exists at all, as evident in the fact that he has to address members of his own population through Muslim negotiators.

France's self-congratulatory campaign to reconcile differences between Islam and the West, undertaken in recent years to avoid "a clash of civilizations," has accelerated one. An obtuse and vain assumption had launched the campaign, namely, that the only possible clash of civilizations would be Christianity versus Islam. It didn't occur to the French secularists that another clash of civilizations was possible: their own secularism versus Islam.

The French secularists patted themselves on the back for avoiding the first one by discarding their historic Christianity. Jacques Chirac, for example, wouldn't permit a single mention of Europe's Christian roots in the European Union's Constitution. Will it now dawn on them that to avoid the second one requires surrendering their cherished secularism? French politicians are making all the right PC noises about the riots being the result of "discrimination." But they are very vague about the source of the discrimination, and for good reason: the source is French secularism itself. French Muslims say that they can't rise in a state in which secularists alone hold the privileged positions.

So will the pols chastising France's Interior Secretary Nicolas Sarkozy for calling the rioters "scum" -- Chirac said that's no way to speak to a "dialogue" partner -- promise to scrap their own secularism in the name of reducing tensions? Will they say, "Fine, wear your Muslim headscarves"? Are they ready for Burka-wearing broadcasters on their government channels? How about a Muslim president? Or a new Constitution reflecting that the de facto majority religion in France is Islam? (Ironically, France's proudly modern and secularized Constitution looks anachronistic, a relic of an expired era.)

French habits of appeasement and its commitment to secularism now cut against each other: the Vichy-style, power-sharing solution to which French pols are drawn will cost them their secularist state but could perhaps give them just enough peace to pursue their secularist pleasures. French politicians had arrogantly assumed they could delay this choice by secularizing Islam. Hence their desperate project to form and spread "French Islam." But the hopelessness of the project is obvious; instead of soothing tensions, it inflamed them, clear in the contempt Muslim rioters feel for the Imams Chirac has been trotting out as peacekeepers.

French secularism is not substantial enough to win the clash of civilizations it couldn't even recognize. And were it to try and win the clash, it would have to suspend the very tolerance that led them into it. The misapprehensions of reality built into French liberalism make it an ideology that devours itself, unleashing chaos that necessitates departing from it. This explains why dictatorships have followed its liberal revolutions. Reality-defying assertions about "liberty, fraternity, and equality" produce enough irrationality to justify a Napoleon to stop it.

France has been rewarding those who ignored the inevitable collision of Islam and its culture while punishing dissenters who merely noticed it. It fined for "hate crimes" French authors who warned that the assimilation of Muslims would prove impossible and elected preening liberals who waved the problem away. The former were "heartless" and the latter "humane," yet who's position now tempts France to draconian measures? Who's position has placed France in an insoluble crisis?

Earlier this year a French minister asked if Europe's riverbed could accommodate the "river of Islam." The question was a generation too late. French secularists made a great show of opening the floodgate, and the river of Islam gushed through the country, gradually washing away the secularism that had released it.

George Neumayr is executive editor of The American Spectator.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: france; muslim; riot; vichy
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1 posted on 11/08/2005 10:10:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Fraid the French are lost. Gee...that's too bad.


2 posted on 11/08/2005 10:11:59 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

I know. It sounds harsh to say it, but America should not lament the passing of France. In fact, the French can do us a favor by serving as an example from which the rest of us can learn.


3 posted on 11/08/2005 10:17:00 PM PST by happyathome
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To: ncountylee
The French are not lost. It will be tremebdius fun however, to watch them dig themseves out of this mess.


4 posted on 11/08/2005 10:18:41 PM PST by zarf (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47!)
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To: nickcarraway

Brigitte Bardot was basically right (as was Enoch Powell in UK earlier).
http://www.vdare.com/misc/orland_silence.htm


5 posted on 11/08/2005 10:19:15 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Lancey Howard; maryz

George Neumayr Ping


6 posted on 11/08/2005 10:21:24 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway

BIG BUMP for very rich irony.


7 posted on 11/08/2005 10:23:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ncountylee
Mode élevée parisienne 2008 est très chic!


8 posted on 11/08/2005 10:23:40 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: happyathome
It sounds harsh to say it...

It's not harsh at all. We should see this as a warning for our own country.

9 posted on 11/08/2005 10:24:16 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: happyathome
"In fact, the French can do us a favor by serving as an example from which the rest of us can learn"

I'm afraid we won't learn, so I'm not going to be too smug about France. The same cultural bacteria that are destroying France, multi-culturalism, liberal immigration policies and abandoning religion, have infected America too.

10 posted on 11/08/2005 10:25:40 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: TheCrusader

The French and the rest of socialist Europe have about two decades' head start on us, but we're on the same (wrong) trajectory.


11 posted on 11/08/2005 10:31:14 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ('Tis the part of the wise man to...not venture all his eggs in one basket. -- Cervantes)
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To: nickcarraway
The USA is fighting radical islam in Afghanistan and Iraq the french are being forced to fight it in France.
12 posted on 11/08/2005 10:48:30 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: zarf

LOL! Priceless.

I heard Maury once did a show that wasn't about sending rebellious teens to boot camp or paternity tests, but I haven't been able to confirm it.


13 posted on 11/08/2005 11:25:35 PM PST by notfornothing
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To: nickcarraway

I enjoy bashing the French as much as any other red-blooded American. But I ran across this letter and it made me feel kind of bad about it. http://theanchoressonline.com/2005/11/08/an-email-from-marianne-in-france/


14 posted on 11/08/2005 11:46:47 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: KarinG1

Where have you gone, Charles Martel?


15 posted on 11/08/2005 11:48:55 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: KarinG1

"...I ran across this letter and it made me feel kind of bad about it."

I feel bad for individuals caught up in all this. Not every frenchman is a godless socialist. The majority, however, ARE socialist sheep who have brought these difficulties upon themselves.


16 posted on 11/09/2005 1:22:06 AM PST by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: nickcarraway

'France's self-congratulatory campaign to reconcile differences between Islam and the West, undertaken in recent years to avoid "a clash of civilizations," has accelerated one. An obtuse and vain assumption had launched the campaign, namely, that the only possible clash of civilizations would be Christianity versus Islam. It didn't occur to the French secularists that another clash of civilizations was possible: their own secularism versus Islam.'

Fools. Being overrun has not thaught them to prepare. The US always bails them out-and they hate us for their own weakness.


17 posted on 11/09/2005 1:42:52 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: KarinG1
The letter is certainly worth reading, and I feel sorry for the French who are trying to preserve an old culture against the ravages of both laicite (secularism) and Islam. The writer is right about the rottenness of French TV. I am in Europe at the moment, and I watched French channel 5 offer a long recital of the riots in Argentina "against Bush" while at the same time there were riots (no mention of that) in their own streets.
18 posted on 11/09/2005 2:43:16 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Travis McGee


IS     PARIS   PLAMING?
                       


19 posted on 11/09/2005 3:50:56 AM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)--------)
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To: ncountylee

France has nuclear weapons...it cannot be allowed to fall under muslim domination.


20 posted on 11/09/2005 5:18:55 AM PST by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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