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Brennende Autos - auch in Berlin und Bremen [Cars burning in Berlin and Bremen -Mooligans]
Der Spiegel ^ | November 7, 2005

Posted on 11/07/2005 4:56:04 AM PST by syriacus

Also in Bremen it came in the night to arsons. According to data of the police with a car dealer three vehicles were ignited. A damage of at least several ten thousand euro developed. Afterwards it gave a fire in a former school. After the fire in a building part, which is to be torn off, ten persons were examined, said a police spokeswoman. It is however unclear whether they were involved in the act. In addition ignited unknown quantity according to police data a garbage container and a heap of leaves.

The spokeswoman said, in the quarter concerned it had generally given problems with young people in recent past. A connection with for one week the continuing youth riots in France is however not to be recognized. The presumed authors would not have looked for as in France the confrontation with police or fire-brigade.

In view of the continuous excesses of young people in France politicians before force warn also in German cities. The designate Ministers of the Interior Wolfgang Schaeuble (CDU) said today, conditions were in France different than here, in addition, in Germany developed "quarters with high foreigner portion, which partition themselves, said ever more from the remaining society" the CDU politician of the "Bild" newspaper.

Schaeuble holds it for necessary that young people of foreign origin know "the German language". Besides one needs also "a good education and more chances on training places and jobs". It demanded a better integration of foreign young people in Germany.

The Rhineland-Palatinian Prime Minister Kurt Beck (SPD) said, one must watch out, "that we not accumulations of young people has, who do not see a chance in the life. Then also by the mixing of different origin and by this Chancenlosigkeit into a similar situation to come could ".

Of parallel companies of Germans and foreigners also Bayerns warned Ministers of the Interior Guenther Beckstein (CSU). The policy did not dream of "the integration by far as well created as". Germany is not before riots as protected in France "", said it in the SWR. The CSU politician referred to high unemployment among Turkish young people and missing graduations of foreign children.

Criticism at "hobby sociologists"

The Federal Government warned against it of hasty conclusions. The deputy government spokesman Thomas bar said, the situations in France and Germany were not comparable "". Bar reminded therefore to the restraint and turned against "hobby sociologists", who would express that similar incidents as in France before-stood also in this country. Bar stressed that a "successful integration" could not without controlling the German language "really successfully its". The pictures from Paris are for all democracies a reminder the fact that the integration efforts might not be explained for terminated but with new energy would have to be continued.

Clearly more sceptically the trade union of the police (Union of Police) judged. For years become an increase of the youth force, which and the expansion of the drug trade observes formation of youth gangs, stressed the Union of Police chairman Konrad free mountain. By French conditions one is still far in Germany, but "some causes for this explosive mixture are present also with us".

Also the Evangelist Landesbischoefin of Hanover, Margot Kaessmann, deplored a neglect of the here living foreigners, from whom parallel companies could form out at all only. If the pi SA education study shows the fact that children from immigrant families would not have good chances on an education conclusion would have to induce this the German society to thinking, said them in the NDR.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: riots

1 posted on 11/07/2005 4:56:06 AM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus

Translation courtesy of google.


2 posted on 11/07/2005 4:56:45 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = French MOOLIGANs)
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To: syriacus

Youth gangs -- mooligans


3 posted on 11/07/2005 4:58:04 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = French MOOLIGANs)
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To: syriacus
Normally the German's do not put up with this type of behaviour from their malcontents.

We'll see how they deal with this problem.

4 posted on 11/07/2005 5:00:02 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: syriacus; All
Is Paris Burning? ( Religion of Peace® Alert )
Click the picture:


5 posted on 11/07/2005 5:00:19 AM PST by backhoe (Anyone recall "A Clockwork Orange?")
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To: syriacus

From Pravda
http://newsfromrussia.com/society/2005/11/07/67122.html

German officials exclude risk of French-style riots
13:28 2005-11-07
German officials played down the risk of the country seeing violence similar to that in neighboring France, even as Berlin police examined whether the overnight burning of five cars in the capital was a copycat crime.

Still, officials with both the outgoing and incoming governments stressed the need to better integrate immigrants into German society. France has seen 11 nights of violence, initially concentrated in immigrant-heavy suburbs, with disaffected youths torching cars and buildings.

"I think we should stay away from drawing premature analogies and making prophecies as to whether similar developments would be possible here," Thomas Steg, a spokesman for outgoing Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, told reporters. "The situation is not comparable."

Wolfgang Schaeuble, a conservative selected as Chancellor-designate Angela Merkel's interior minister, echoed that in an interview with the Bild daily.

"The conditions in France are different from the ones we have," Schaeuble said. "We don't have these gigantic high-rise projects that they have on the edges of French cities."

Schaeuble cautioned, however, that "we have to improve integration, particularly of young people. That means above all that they must master the German language."

An immigration law that took effect in January aims to have new arrivals integrate into society, making government-funded German language and civics courses obligatory for newcomers.

Steg was tightlipped on the German government's opinion of how events in France were handled, saying "it is not for us to comment on these decisions by the French government."

In the early hours of Monday, five cars were set on fire in Berlin's working-class Moabit district. Police were investigating, the AP reports.


6 posted on 11/07/2005 5:01:03 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = French MOOLIGANs)
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Figures! That's a not very reliable service.


7 posted on 11/07/2005 5:02:50 AM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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African news report

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1830215,00.html

Cars torched in Berlin 07/11/2005 13:07  - (SA)  

Berlin - Five cars were set on fire in a poor district of the German capital on Monday and police said they were trying to determine if there was any connection with the wave of violence sweeping France.

The cars were burned in five separate streets in Berlin's Moabit district, a poor region with a high number of foreigners a few kilometres from the central government district.

Police said nobody had claimed responsibility for the attacks and so far there was nothing which suggested they were copy-cat crimes.

Cars have been regularly torched in Berlin by left-wing extremists on violent May 1 protests which have been a fixture in the city since the 1980s.

Moabit is in former West Berlin and has a high number of Turkish nationals. Turks comprise the biggest foreign minority in Berlin, numbering 118 000 out of a total population of 3.4 million, according to official figures.

There are about 450 000 foreigners living in the German capital.

Comparions between Germany and France

Berlin does not, however, have the same sort of huge, impoverished foreign ghettos as Paris.

Although parts of the city such as Wedding and Neukoelln have major social problems and high unemployment, they have not become no-go areas for police.

Youth unemployment in Germany is less of a problem than in France, according to European Union data. In Germany some 13.8% of people aged 15 to 24 years are jobless, compared with almost 22% in France.

Politicians from all German parties underlined the difference between Germany and France but they warned that steps had to be take to improve integration of foreigners.

"We don't have ghettos like in France," said Daniel Cohn-Bendit, a Greens member of the European Parliament in comments to the Berliner Zeitung newspaper.

Cohn-Bendit also stressed that Germany's social welfare network was in far better shape than that of France.

Need to learn German

Wolfgang Schaeuble, a senior member of designated chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, said greater efforts were needed to ensure that all young foreigners learned the German language.

"Districts are developing in our cities with high proportions of foreigners which are being cut off from the rest of society," said Schaeuble.

Michael Mueller, a left-leaning member of outgoing chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Social Democrats (SPD) said the events in Paris showed that Germany could not afford to trim back its social welfare programmes.

"Social conflicts and disintegration are increasing in Germany," said Mueller. -


8 posted on 11/07/2005 5:04:15 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = French MOOLIGANs)
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To: OldFriend
We'll see how they deal with this problem.

I hope the deal with the problem well, and soon.

9 posted on 11/07/2005 5:05:29 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = French MOOLIGANs)
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This weeks print Spiegel has a huge article about "Eurabia". Yes, the leftist press is now coopting conservative terminology. Wowzers!


10 posted on 11/07/2005 5:08:01 AM PST by 12B
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To: Shery
Figures! That's a not very reliable service.

I didn't see an English translation of the article in Der Spiegel's English version of their web pages .It might show up later. My German skills are limited.

11 posted on 11/07/2005 5:08:57 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = French MOOLIGANs)
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To: 12B
This weeks print Spiegel has a huge article about "Eurabia". Yes, the leftist press is now coopting conservative terminology. Wowzers!

Very interesting.

12 posted on 11/07/2005 5:10:24 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = French MOOLIGANs)
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