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Democrats defeat election-law aid for bloggers(FR Targeted?)
CNET ^ | 2 November 2005 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 11/03/2005 8:59:50 AM PST by demlosers

Democrats on Wednesday managed to defeat a bill aimed at amending U.S. election laws to immunize bloggers from hundreds of pages of federal regulations.

In an acrimonious debate that broke largely along party lines, more than three-quarters of congressional Democrats voted to oppose the reform bill, which had enjoyed wide support from online activists and Web commentators worried about having to comply with a tangled skein of rules.

The vote tally in the House of Representatives, 225 to 182, was not enough to send the Online Freedom of Speech Act to the Senate. Under the rules that House leaders adopted to accelerate the process, a two-thirds supermajority was required.

"I'm horribly disappointed that this important measure failed to pass," said Rep. Mark Kennedy, R-Minn. "This bill was designed to protect the free-speech rights of Americans whose only alleged crime is wanting to use the Internet to express their opinions."

The Federal Election Commission is under court order to finalize rules extending a controversial 2002 campaign finance law to the Internet. Unless Congress acts, the final regulations are expected to be announced by the end of the year. (They could cover everything from regulating hyperlinks to politicians' Web sites to forcing disclosure of affiliations with campaigns.)

Opponents of the reform plan mounted a last-minute effort to derail the bill before the vote on Wednesday evening. Liberal advocacy groups circulated letters warning the measure was too broad and would invite "corrupt" activities online, and The New York Times wrote in an editorial this week that "the Internet would become a free-fire zone without any limits on spending."

Rep. Marty Meehan, a Massachusetts Democrat who opposed the bill, said during the floor debate: "We don't allow child pornography on the Internet. We don't exempt it from consumer safety laws...We don't because we think those laws are important." Campaign finance regulations should be extended as well, he said.

Previous Next Rep. Lloyd Doggett, a Texas Democrat, said that if the bill were approved, the public would have "no idea whether Internet campaign ads are being financed by secret soft money." Soft money is a general term referring to funds not regulated by election laws.

The House reform proposal, only one page long, simply says that the portion of federal election law that deals with publications aimed at the general public "shall not include communications over the Internet." It may eventually receive another vote under a slower, normal procedure that requires only a majority.

Not every Democrat opposed the campaign finance reform proposal. Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes part of Silicon Valley, said her colleagues should not believe the editorials in The New York Times and Washington Post. "What the bill does is a lot more modest than what the rhetoric would have us believe," Lofgren said. "All of the hoo-rah-rah...is incorrect."


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1 posted on 11/03/2005 8:59:51 AM PST by demlosers
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To: demlosers
New York Times wrote in an editorial this week that "the Internet would become a free-fire zone without any limits on spending."

Yep, the MSM wants to make sure it holds the only McCain-Feingold exemptions for its blatant politicking...

2 posted on 11/03/2005 9:06:40 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: demlosers

Shazam. Democrats actually go on record as being against the very internet that their leader AlGore invented.


3 posted on 11/03/2005 9:07:23 AM PST by rod1
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To: demlosers
Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes part of Silicon Valley, said her colleagues should not believe the editorials in The New York Times and Washington Post. "What the bill does is a lot more modest than what the rhetoric would have us believe," Lofgren said. "All of the hoo-rah-rah...is incorrect."

They always say that, until they get it enacted. Then it suddenly sprouts all sorts of hidden implications that sweep everybody into the net.

4 posted on 11/03/2005 9:07:36 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: demlosers

Remember this affects DU too.


5 posted on 11/03/2005 9:14:53 AM PST by sandbar
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To: dirtboy
New York Times wrote in an editorial this week that "the Internet would become a free-fire zone without any limits on spending."

Yes, it's critically important that all spending go through the Times and their ilk.

D*mn McCain, the Congress as a whole, the President and SCOTUS for this unconstitutional disaster. It should never have gotten out of McCain's office, never mind passed, signed and upheld.

We need a test case after Alito gets seated and we need to all support any blogger willing to be the test case.

6 posted on 11/03/2005 9:14:58 AM PST by Paine in the Neck
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To: thulldud
They always say that, until they get it enacted. Then it suddenly sprouts all sorts of hidden implications that sweep everybody into the net.

AKA, The Law of Unintended Consequences.

7 posted on 11/03/2005 9:15:38 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: sandbar

It does, but do you really think DU has as much influence and respect as FR? I don't. I wish one of our FR members who is an attorney would comment. To me, this looks ominous.


8 posted on 11/03/2005 9:17:37 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Paine in the Neck

Since they insist on calling FR a "blog" we might need to throw all that support right here.


9 posted on 11/03/2005 9:18:35 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: demlosers

Imagine that... the Left working towards limiting free speech!


10 posted on 11/03/2005 9:19:49 AM PST by fhlh (Polls are for strippers and liberal spin.)
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To: sandbar
Remember this affects DU too.

No, laws are for other people, not Demorats...

11 posted on 11/03/2005 9:20:04 AM PST by talleyman (E=mc2 (before taxes))
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To: demlosers
It may eventually receive another vote under a slower, normal procedure that requires only a majority.

It better.

12 posted on 11/03/2005 9:20:23 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: demlosers

Since the Repubs control the House, they should be able to outvote the Dems - No?


13 posted on 11/03/2005 9:24:07 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

If you actually read MF you would see that it is about as useless a law as ever was passed. Actually you don't even have to read it just look at the last election wherein it had ZERO impact except upon the exceedingly stupid.

The attempt to make it work will also fail.


14 posted on 11/03/2005 9:26:03 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: demlosers

Can someone post who voted against this?


15 posted on 11/03/2005 9:26:10 AM PST by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: randog
AKA, The Law of Unintended Consequences.

No, this is the law of lying, hypocritical weasels. The consequences of this action are thoroughly intentional, notwithstanding the vigorous denial.

16 posted on 11/03/2005 9:34:54 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: mosquitobite
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 559
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

      H R 1606      2/3 YEA-AND-NAY      2-Nov-2005      8:08 PM
      QUESTION:  On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass
      BILL TITLE: Online Freedom of Speech Act

  Yeas Nays PRES NV
Republican 179 38   13
Democratic 46 143   13
Independent   1    
TOTALS 225 182   26


---- YEAS    225 ---

Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Baca
Bachus
Baker
Barrett (SC)
Barrow
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Beauprez
Berman
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blumenauer
Blunt
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boren
Boucher
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Buyer
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Capuano
Cardoza
Carter
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Clay
Cole (OK)
Conaway
Conyers
Costa
Cramer
Crenshaw
Cuellar
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis (KY)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeLay
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Drake
Dreier
Duncan
Ehlers
English (PA)
Eshoo
Everett
Fattah
Feeney
Ferguson
Fitzpatrick (PA)
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Fortenberry
Fossella
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gingrey
Gohmert
Goode
Goodlatte
Granger
Graves
Green (WI)
Gutknecht
Harris
Hart
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hoekstra
Honda
Hostettler
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Inglis (SC)
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
Jindal
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kind
King (IA)
Kingston
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
Kuhl (NY)
Latham
Lee
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lofgren, Zoe
Lucas
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Matheson
McCaul (TX)
McCotter
McCrery
McHenry
McHugh
McKeon
McKinney
McMorris
Melancon
Mica
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Moran (KS)
Murphy
Murtha
Musgrave
Myrick
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Nunes
Nussle
Otter
Paul
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Pickering
Pitts
Poe
Porter
Price (GA)
Putnam
Rahall
Rehberg
Reichert
Renzi
Reynolds
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Royce
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Salazar
Sanchez, Loretta
Scott (GA)
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Sodrel
Souder
Stearns
Strickland
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thompson (CA)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Udall (CO)
Waters
Watson
Weldon (FL)
Weller
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (SC)
Woolsey
Wynn
Young (FL)

---- NAYS    182 ---

Abercrombie
Allen
Andrews
Baird
Baldwin
Bass
Bean
Becerra
Berkley
Berry
Bishop (NY)
Boehlert
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Cardin
Carnahan
Carson
Case
Castle
Cleaver
Clyburn
Coble
Cooper
Costello
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Edwards
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
Evans
Farr
Filner
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hefley
Higgins
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Holden
Holt
Hooley
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kirk
Kucinich
LaHood
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
LaTourette
Leach
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lowey
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCarthy
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Osborne
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Petri
Platts
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Ramstad
Rangel
Regula
Rothman
Ruppersberger
Rush
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanders
Saxton
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schmidt
Schwartz (PA)
Schwarz (MI)
Scott (VA)
Shays
Sherman
Simmons
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Snyder
Solis
Spratt
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Turner
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Wasserman Schultz
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Weldon (PA)
Wexler
Wilson (NM)
Wolf
Wu

---- NOT VOTING    26 ---

Ackerman
Boswell
Brady (PA)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Cubin
Etheridge
Hall
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hyde
King (NY)
Marshall
McCollum (MN)
Menendez
Miller (FL)
Norwood
Oxley
Pearce
Pombo
Pryce (OH)
Radanovich
Reyes
Roybal-Allard
Sabo
Stark
Young (AK)



17 posted on 11/03/2005 9:36:24 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: thulldud

So you oppose this? On what grounds (other than the fact Lofgren and Waters voted for it - which makes it very suspicious)?


18 posted on 11/03/2005 9:39:07 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: dirtboy
Yep, the MSM wants to make sure it holds the only McCain-Feingold exemptions for its blatant politicking...

Everyone posting here on FreeRepublic is as much a journalist as anyone working at the NYT.

We have as much right as they do to print our news opinions!

19 posted on 11/03/2005 9:47:59 AM PST by RJL
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To: Republican Wildcat
To be utterly precise, I favor the "Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass".

This does not supersede my firm conviction that regulating political speech is none of the business of Congress. (Or any branch of gubment.)

20 posted on 11/03/2005 9:49:10 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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