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Some See Indictment as 'a Devastating Day for Journalism'
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 29, 2005 | James Rainey and Matea Gold, Times Staff Writers

Posted on 10/29/2005 5:58:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: HighlyOpinionated

I don't think Libby should get a pardon..I didn't think it was right that Clinton did it, and it will only make Bush look like Clinton...a person who "rewards" a Susan McDougal for lying and protecting his a@@. Bush did NOT know or approve of Libby's lies....so why give a pardon suggesting that he did?
Libby should get a quick trial and call the reporters that have "selective" memories...he should get "discovery" of all of the contacts between Wilson and Russert and the rest. They will find that Wilson/Plame had MANY contacts with reporters on a social basis as well as professional...showing that Russert had the info too.
I think LIbby can come out on top and maybe..just maybe Wilson's part in all this will come out.


41 posted on 10/29/2005 8:16:50 AM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"I do not think that reporters should be subpoenaed anything close to routinely," said the prosecutor. "It should be an extraordinary case. But … what is different here is the transaction here is between a person and a reporter; they're the eyewitness to the crime."

What crime? The crime of exposing Plame? Even Fitz acknowledges between the lines that this was not a crime. He must mean the crime of perjury, which was the crime he solicited and has been investigating since very early on. What a ridiculous circus this ringleader is conducting.

42 posted on 10/29/2005 8:18:44 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
When ever a newsie uses the term un-named source I stop paying attention for it is more then less likely to be untrue and propaganda.

But on an other subject why weren't these so called reporters brought before the Grand Jury? It's more the obvious that they are abusing their privilege.

43 posted on 10/29/2005 8:25:47 AM PDT by fella (Political Correctness = Stuck On Stupid)
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To: manwiththehands; mewzilla

It's too bad Zell Miller didn't give credit for it other than "it has been said"... The quote is attributed to Sgt. Denis Edward O'Brien, a Roman Catholic chaplain in the U.S.M.C. (Also, Zell changed "campus organizer" to "agitator.")


44 posted on 10/29/2005 8:27:40 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: syriacus
"[the reporters are] the eyewitness [sic] to the crime."
"The reporters are the eyewitnesses to the alleged crime."

The reporters created, groomed, and then reveled in the alleged crime.

45 posted on 10/29/2005 8:30:38 AM PDT by norton (This is not about the DIA or the CIA. This is about CYA...)
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To: Gondring

Drat! "Sgt. Denis Edward O'Brien" won't fit in my tagline!


46 posted on 10/29/2005 8:33:30 AM PDT by manwiththehands (Most great taglines are too long to fit here)
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To: norton
The reporters created, groomed, and then reveled in the alleged crime.

Yes. And Val was a journalism major.

47 posted on 10/29/2005 8:33:33 AM PDT by syriacus (Terri Schiavo's REAL death deserves the FBI investigation that Valerie Plame's ALLEGED outting got.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"I do not think that reporters should be subpoenaed anything close to routinely," said the prosecutor. "It should be an extraordinary case

Not what he argued before the SC.

Can read it here. Near the bottom of the page.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/legal_proceedings.html

Under the heading

Brief of the United States in Opposition to Petitions for Writ of Certiorari

48 posted on 10/29/2005 8:34:24 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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To: jude24
Last thing we need are more partisan, prejudiced jurors.

You mean like the ones that sent up these utterly stupid indictments? Come on and face reality. Fritz threw up anything he could in a desperate attempt to find something to divert the press. If he had come out and said "Nope no crime here" the media would be giving him a total ream job today.

49 posted on 10/29/2005 8:37:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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To: Revolutionary

Re Russert:

I want to see if he indeed taped Libby's conversation and then has to say it on the stand.
Hope this ends his career.


50 posted on 10/29/2005 8:39:03 AM PDT by pugmama
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To: manwiththehands

Perhaps "Fr. Denis E. O'Brien, USMC"?


51 posted on 10/29/2005 8:41:35 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I hope Libby fights.

Reporters will make for unbelievably poor witness.

52 posted on 10/29/2005 8:46:26 AM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From henceforth, the standard reply from all Bush Administration members to any call from the MSM:

Go to He\\!!!...click."


53 posted on 10/29/2005 8:49:31 AM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: mewzilla

The sentiment's great, but Zell Miller was only quoting it.

Here is the whole thing, with proper credit:

It Is The Soldier

It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.

It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.


Charles Michael Province, U.S. Army
Copyright Charles M. Province, 1970, 2005


54 posted on 10/29/2005 8:57:13 AM PDT by John Robertson ( Safe Travel)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
What doesn't make any sense is why Libby would lie about something that wasn't a crime in the first place? There was no reason to give false information or cover-up a non crime. Who was giving him legal advice??

Russert should recuse himself from this story because he will be called as a witness which will make the cross very interesting. He better not be lying.

Pray for W and Our Troops

55 posted on 10/29/2005 9:01:07 AM PDT by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: mewzilla
I'd take the word of a used car dealer over most presstitutes'.

At least you know he's only got one agenda.

56 posted on 10/29/2005 9:20:55 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Thatis it. On the O'Reilly factor the other night O'Reilly couldn't understand why Libby lied when he knew that he didn't break the law. So now that he has lied to the grand jury they indicted him. But maybe he is smarter than we think. Now that his lawyer can get full disclosure and find out who was after them in the first place. Like Soros or whomever. Then at the end of Bushs' term he can give Libby a pardon. Heck they could keep this thing going to trial till the end of Presidents term of office. Now that being said who knows but it could get very interesting.


57 posted on 10/29/2005 10:17:53 AM PDT by red irish
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To: John Robertson

Yes..the credit is in dispute.
O'Brien is commonly credited, but then there's the claim by Province.


58 posted on 10/29/2005 10:27:24 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: scotiamor
Therein lies the problem - the jury will be picked from that sterling population of Washington DC, which is about 99.9% democrat.

This is exactly why no effort was made to prosecute the Clintons after they left office. Unless you could figure out a way to try them in Indiana or Texas or Utah (and I don't think there is a way to move those types of trials) you were going to draw from the DC jury pool, and they would have been declared "not guilty" and gone around the nation for the rest of their lives talking about how they were innocent but the Republicans were persecuting them.

I fail to see why ANY politically charged trial should be held in DC. They should all be held in a 50/50 state, with the added benefit that the reporters would have to traipse to somewhere like Wisconsin.

59 posted on 10/29/2005 10:34:42 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I think NOT!

As an ex-journalist I've been saying that over and over with all the power I can muster! A shield law would create a new elitist overclass who could write anything, truth or not, without any fear of being held to account. Things are bad enough as they are. Yet there are many on this board who think it's the right thing to do. They need to have their IQ dipsticks checked -- they're running a little low.

60 posted on 10/29/2005 10:52:09 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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