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If The Plames Get Hot, Could Bush Evoke the Power of the Pardon?
10/27/05) | fight_truth_decay

Posted on 10/27/2005 1:35:47 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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To: RightWhale
Would a Speaker of the House have to step down?

If he was a Republican as now, he would have to step down if indicted because of his own party caucus rules. Case in point: Tom Delay.

41 posted on 10/27/2005 2:59:18 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: fight_truth_decay

Since I am not in favor of any dynasty I'm with you...


42 posted on 10/27/2005 3:01:35 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Rapscallion
But I want to see Wilson and Plame on the stand, dang it!! How about Russert? Can we have the discovery process, and then pardon them?

Come on Dubya, throw us a bone!!

43 posted on 10/27/2005 3:07:55 PM PDT by lawnguy (It works Napoleon, you don't even know.)
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To: ReignOfError; Dave S
I stand corrected although I did qualify it by saying usually. :-)
44 posted on 10/27/2005 3:09:17 PM PDT by TCats
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To: Dave S

Caucus rules can be changed.


45 posted on 10/27/2005 3:46:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: fight_truth_decay

I think Libby will be indicted for witness tampering, because of the letter he sent to Miller which sounded like he was coaching her on what to say.

If there was anything he would be indicted for, I think that would be it -- because if true it would make the prosecuter mad.

If he is indicted for that, I don't think the President should pardon him.

If he is indicted for perjury, that that perjury is because of multiple appearances before the grand jury which he did only because the president ordered it, he should be fired and pardoned.

That way the president can say he has gotten rid of people who had any possibility of being linked, but that his people won't face prosecution for testifying -- since it was Bush that essentially ordered them to testify.

After all, if it wasn't for everybody trying to cooperate because they were in the White house, none of these people would have testified, nobody would have released the journalists from their confidentiality, and nobody would get charged with perjury.


46 posted on 10/27/2005 4:05:51 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: RightWhale
My main question was whether the President could kill this move to criminalize political activity by using the pardon to neutralize the endless investigations case by case.

Read someplace in my research today that norm for the number of pardons under a President is 125...Bush might set a pardoning record with the number of "charges" that are occurring from the Left.

Wonder who Bush will pardon at some point in his presidency. Some we will never hear about, but there should be some names of prominence (by that I mean press worthy).

47 posted on 10/27/2005 5:54:28 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: oceanview
take a look at the demographics of the DC grand jury - then tell me that a trial jury in the same locale wouldn't convict Rove and Libby just for showing up at trial. they would.

Given that DC is 90+% democrat, wouldn't that be valid grounds on having the venue moved, should an indictment happen, to Maryland (which seems like a right-wing state in comparison to DC) or Virginia? A republican being tried in DC--it'd be over before it even began.

48 posted on 10/27/2005 6:35:49 PM PDT by gop_gene
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To: RightWhale

I think it may be time for a "mega pardon", a pardon of 100 miscreants.

In the same announcement, GWB should pardon:

1. Hillary Clinton for hiding the Rose Law Firm billing records in the White House.

2. Bill Clinton for selling a pardon to Marc Rich.

3. Sandy Berger for stealing classified documents that would embarrass Hillary from the National Archives.

4. Ted Kennedy for a conspiring to conceal a man-slaughter.

5. John Kerry for treasonously negotiating with the Viet Cong.

6. Turban Durbin for lying about his war record.

7. Ronnie Earle for abuse of prosecutorial discretion

8. Governor Blanco for dereliction of duty

....

100. Scooter Libby for forgetting the details of an event that occurred two years ago.

To pardon 99 Democrats and one Republican could hardly be characterized as "partisan", now, could it?


49 posted on 10/27/2005 7:14:22 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: fight_truth_decay

Yes, but he will not because he is an Honorable man unlike Bill Pure Scum Clinton. He should though.


50 posted on 10/27/2005 7:17:29 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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The number of prosecutors who have indicted members of sitting presidential administrations and gone on to the top post at the FBI is exactly zero.

.....Asked about the notion of becoming FBI director after Robert Mueller, another prosecutor who quit private practice to put bad guys behind bars, he laughs. 'That's probably Director Mueller when he's having a bad day, trying to unload it on somebody else.' He did not say he was uninterested...

51 posted on 10/27/2005 9:49:38 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: Rapscallion

Judge Napolitano (Fox) was asked a few moments ago on e-mails coming in on the use of a Pardon. He has responded the same way we all suggested here. I know I sent the question in to my contacts last night. Was good to hear it addressed.


52 posted on 10/28/2005 10:21:16 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: pfony1
You have a point. Criminalization of politics should stop now before it goes any farther. Also, criminalization of corporation management should stop. This is a war between corporations and Gummint, and the corporations are winning.

Clear the deck for the most astonishing period of economic growth ever.

53 posted on 10/28/2005 11:42:02 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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