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SpaceX Sues Boeing, Lockheed Over Launch
Reuters ^ | Oct 21, 2005

Posted on 10/22/2005 11:49:07 AM PDT by anymouse

A private rocket developer said on Thursday it had gone to court to challenge plans by Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp. to jointly launch government satellites.

Space Exploration Technologies Corp., also known as SpaceX, filed suit on Wednesday in federal court charging that the joint venture by the two largest U.S. military contractors is anticompetitive and violates antitrust law.

SpaceX, based in El Segundo, Calif., asked the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to block the joint venture and award SpaceX unspecified damages.

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is conducting an antitrust review of the United Launch Alliance, and a SpaceX spokesman said a decision was expected as early as next week. Last month Boeing and Lockheed refiled their application with the FTC.

The plan, which would end nearly a decade of rivalry between the two in the space launch arena, has been supported by the U.S. Air Force as a way to cut the cost of putting military, spy and research satellites into orbit.

The 50-50 joint venture is expected to save the government $100 million to $150 million a year, according to the companies.

The suit charges that Boeing and Lockheed recognized the threat posed by SpaceX's developing family of low-cost launch vehicles and says the two contractors strong-armed the Air Force into an exclusive launch contract through 2011 or beyond.

Boeing spokesman Dan Beck said Boeing had not yet seen the suit but said the alliance was working through the FTC review process. "We're confident (the alliance) will ultimately be approved and meet the launch needs of the U.S. government without being a threat to competition," said Beck.

Lockheed spokesman Tom Jurkowsky said the company does not comment on pending litigation but said the alliance promised the government assured access to space at less cost.

Citizens Against Government Waste, a watchdog group, on Thursday urged against granting sole-source launch contracts to the alliance.

"The structure slams the door on any possible competition," the group's president, Tom Schatz, said in a statement.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: airforce; boeing; ftc; lockheed; rocket; satellites; space; spacex; ula
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Glad these guys are calling this cabal what it is an obvious effort to establish a government sponsored monopoly at the expense of emerging entrepreneural commercial launch companies.

If United Launch Alliance is allowed to form, it will cost you more in tax dollars, as they will have no domestic competition and foreign launchers are excluded from providing lauches to US government payloads.

1 posted on 10/22/2005 11:49:11 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: KevinDavis

Space ping.


2 posted on 10/22/2005 11:49:36 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: Paleo Conservative

Boeing ping


3 posted on 10/22/2005 11:54:11 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: anymouse

Boeing has no (US) competition in the airline industry, and now they are trying to expand their monopoly into the aerospace industry. Not good. I hope this gets shut down.


4 posted on 10/22/2005 11:58:02 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: JoJo Gunn; anymouse; COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; ...

If you want on or off my aerospace ping list, please contact me by Freep mail.

5 posted on 10/22/2005 11:58:15 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: anymouse

The market is not big enough for two providers. We've been thru that before. If we don't have joint launches, then one of them is going to get out of the business altogether, and that means even less competititon.


6 posted on 10/22/2005 12:13:18 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: anymouse
According to their website, SpaceX has yet to demonstrate their capability to launch ANYTHING into space. As a taxpayer, I would not even consider contracting them until they do. It would be akin to ME opening a rocket firm tomorrow and suing for restraint of trade.

IF they develop a viable launch system, there should be plenty of commercial business for them. And in 2010, with a history of launch success, they can vie for gov't work.

7 posted on 10/22/2005 12:14:12 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( <== I'm with Stupid...)
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To: anymouse

And Space X has launched how many payloads? Hard to claim an impact on something that doesn't yet exist.

That said, FedGov airmail contracts enabled the commercial airline business to develop.


8 posted on 10/22/2005 12:14:27 PM PDT by ASOC (Insert clever tagline here: _______)
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To: anymouse
These two are trying to corral additional revenue since Airbus is eating their lunch.
They had the world market but got fat and saw their dominance erode.
On top of it labor unions joined with striking at critical delivery stages including sabotage that got the FBI into action, to partake feeding from a once overflowing through.
Looks like another greased tanker building bid to canibalize competition and suck tax payers instead of lowering costs and do some heavy lifting turning competitive.
9 posted on 10/22/2005 12:21:20 PM PDT by hermgem
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To: anymouse
Spacex? Accent on second syllable?

Cute name.

10 posted on 10/22/2005 12:53:31 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: wyattearp
Boeing has no (US) competition in the airline industry, and now they are trying to expand their monopoly into the aerospace industry. Not good. I hope this gets shut down.

What other American aerospace company can compete against Airbus? The competition is not between American companies, but between America and EADS. Similar to the comment below.

The market is not big enough for two providers. We've been thru that before. If we don't have joint launches, then one of them is going to get out of the business altogether, and that means even less competition.

11 posted on 10/22/2005 1:02:22 PM PDT by phantomworker (Seize this very minute; Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Begin it now.)
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To: phantomworker

No conflict of interest here, Mr. Boeing man. :)


12 posted on 10/22/2005 3:57:12 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: ZOOKER
I don't think Space X is asking for a government contract guarantee, just the right to compete. Boeing and LockMart haven't been real successful in launching rockets themselves lately. They have to sell Russian rocket launches instead.

BTW, Space X has done some significant full up engine tests and will be launching a test flight soon. The owner Elon Musk is a Internet made multimillionaire (ever hear of PayPal?) and is not asking for any government money up front. Where as Boeing and LockMart don't pick up a pencil, let alone a wrench without billing the government first.
13 posted on 10/22/2005 4:02:51 PM PDT by anymouse
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Where as Boeing and LockMart don't pick up a pencil, let alone a wrench without billing the government first.

Boeing and Lockheed invested well over $1B each in developing the Delta IV and the Atlas V. Yes, the Government did contribute some money towards the development costs to ensure that the Government-unique requirements were accomodated in the new rockets, but the vast majority of the development costs were funded by the corporations.

14 posted on 10/23/2005 10:09:45 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: anymouse
The plan, which would end nearly a decade of rivalry between the two in the space launch arena, has been supported by the U.S. Air Force as a way to cut the cost of putting military, spy and research satellites into orbit.

The 50-50 joint venture is expected to save the government $100 million to $150 million a year, according to the companies.

How does lack of competition among producers save the customer money?

15 posted on 10/23/2005 10:23:18 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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This is a lawsuit that I support...


16 posted on 10/23/2005 11:11:04 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles --> http://www.cafepress.com/kevinspace1)
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To: So Cal Rocket

No comment here other than I hope they lose the lawsuit.


17 posted on 10/23/2005 11:17:46 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: KevinDavis

It doesn't look like SpaceX can show any actual damages. It has been the practice of NASA to consider bidders when the bidders have something to show. This is also customary business practice. A claim of monopoly is unsupportable since one company does not own the other.


18 posted on 10/23/2005 11:38:13 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: KevinDavis
This is a lawsuit that I support...

Just curious, for what reasons?

19 posted on 10/23/2005 11:44:24 AM PDT by phantomworker (Seize this very minute... Boldness has genius, power and magic in it... Begin it now!)
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To: anymouse

The thing with this is that it locks the government in to these companies that are professional government contractors and experts in playing the cost-plus contracting game.

It's not even a matter of a monopoly, it's bad enough to be perpetuating the very corrupt DOD/NASA contracting system where every deal is made by politicians and lobbyists in Washington... and all based on bribes.

Government has reached the point where it can't do much of anything but treat politicians, senior bureaucrats, corrupt contractors, and a gaggle of hangers-on to the life of an oriental satrap.

As PJ O'Rourke said (paraphrasing), "Public" has become a synonym for tawdry, filthy, dangerous or somehow substandard. Viz. public bathrooms, public schools, etc.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


20 posted on 10/23/2005 3:02:10 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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