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A "Woman President"? But Which One?
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 22 October, 2005 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 10/21/2005 2:50:00 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

This is not about Dick Morris’ latest book, Condi vs. Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race. The issue today is “Should America have a woman President?”

I reply, “Of course, and not a moment too soon. But shouldn’t we put a LITTLE thought into which woman would be good for the job?”

The woman/White House issue is, of course, raised by the new ABC program “Commander in Chief,” starring Geena Davis. Does anyone have slight doubt that a President should be impeached and removed, rather than praised, if he/she threatened war against another nation for executing one of its citizens, under its own (barbaric) laws?

The writers of that episode expected Americans to applaud that action by fictitious President Allen (Davis). They choose an African nation as the target, perhaps to distract the viewers from the fact that the real President Bush went to war in Iraq over the lives of 22 million people, obtained a Congressional declaration, and still faces sniping over the “legitimacy” of the war.

The Clinton cronies who litter the staff of Ms. Davis’ show expect Americans to approve President Allen’s threat of war, without Congressional approval, over a single African woman’s life. At the same time, they expect the same Americans to question President Bush’s actions, approved by Congress, over war for millions of lives.

Do they believe that the critical faculties of Americans shut down like a hard reboot on a computer when the TV is switched on? Don’t answer that; it’s rhetorical. Frank Lloyd Wright answered it when he called TV “chewing gum for the eyes.” But I digress.

Dick Morris posits that Secretary of State Condi Rice is “the only person who can defeat” Senator Hillary Clinton for President in 2008. Rice is not running then. Rice should not be running then. The highest executive position she has held so far is Provost of Stanford University. Beyond that, she is just an academic and an advisor.

Admittedly, keeping the students at Stanford from drinking themselves into a stupor, getting each other pregnant, vandalizing the premises, and flunking out, while seeing they get a competent education is not bad preparation for being President. But it is not enough. Rice needs to run for, be elected to, and function well in a high position BEFORE she runs for President.

I could see her as the Vice President under Senator (and former Governor) George Allen in 2008, and then running for President in 2016. But back to the subject of woman/President.

Implicit in the question of whether a woman should be President is the idea that Hillary Clinton would be “a good role model for American women.” Let’s examine that premise.

I have two daughters, of whom I am very, very proud. Both are very successful in the business world. Both are married to men whom I respect. Both have children who are moving well down the bumpy path to becoming adult men and women. Is Hillary a good role model for either of my daughters, or any of my assorted granddaughters?

If either of my daughters decided to stay with her husband after he made it clear, repeatedly, that she is a doormat to him, I would lose all respect for them if they did such a thing. Especially if done for personal gain at the expense of self-respect.

What if either of my daughters treated her coworkers like dirt, blamed them for all failures, screamed obscenities at them, discarded them like trash when they were no longer useful to their ambitions? Role model?

What if they engaged in a public fraud involving $700,000 to $1.1 million and sought to evade all responsibility? (Google the names of “Peter Paul,” “Hillary Clinton,” and the word “fraud” for information on that.) Role model?

What if what they supposedly believed in and thought was important, varied from moment to moment like a weathervane in a cyclone? Role model?

To show how foolish the question is whether we should “have a woman President,” reverse the sex. Make it, “should we have a man President?” The answer is then obvious. Only if that person is the best choice for the job.

Yes, Hillary IS a role model, in the same sense that Lady Macbeth is the greatest model in English literature of a woman composed of nothing but ambition who would do anything to achieve power. Hillary IS a role model as was Lucrezia Borgia in real life. Again, an example of ambition wedded to a lust for power, and divorced from any other considerations.

A woman President? Yes. As long as the model is Dame Margaret Thatcher. But Hillary is no Maggie Thatcher.

About the Author: John Armor is a First Amendment attorney and author who lives in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina. John_Armor@aya.yale.edu


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: abc; clintoncronies; commanderinchief; condirice; declarationofwar; dickmorris; electionfraud; franklloydwright; geenadavis; georgeallen; hillaryclinton; ladymacbeth; lucreziaborgia; margaretthatcher; peterpaul; presidentbush; rolemodel; stanford
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This picks up on several themes that are near and dear to the hearts of Freepers, based on recent threads.

I feel reasonably certain that y'all will appreciate this. Special regards to my friends, Peter Paul and Doug from Upland.

John / Billybob

1 posted on 10/21/2005 2:50:01 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
The Clinton cronies who litter the staff of Ms. Davis’ show expect Americans to approve President Allen’s threat of war, without Congressional approval, over a single African woman’s life.

This is how Clinton ran his foreign policy -- to make the world safe for political correctness.

2 posted on 10/21/2005 2:51:58 PM PDT by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

BTW, great comments.


3 posted on 10/21/2005 2:52:46 PM PDT by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Great read!


4 posted on 10/21/2005 3:04:57 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "ACLU Christmas")
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To: Congressman Billybob
Rice needs to run for, be elected to, and function well in a high position BEFORE she runs for President.

If it would come down to it, I would take an underprepared Republican over a democrat.

5 posted on 10/21/2005 3:06:25 PM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: My2Cents
threat of war, without Congressional approval, over a single African woman’s life John Hay is one of my favorite American diplomats (Lincolns personal secretary / Theodore Roosevelts Secy of State). His famous line during an international incident (captured in the film The Wind and Lion) When a Berber captured and held a US Citizen; Hays great line was: Pedicaris alive or Razuli dead.
6 posted on 10/21/2005 3:10:45 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: Congressman Billybob

I don't think now is the time to have a woman leading the most powerful nation on the planet.


7 posted on 10/21/2005 3:16:15 PM PDT by FeeinTennessee (http://hometown.aol.com/feereports/feepolitics.html)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I googled “Peter Paul,” “Hillary Clinton,” and the word “fraud” and it just made me angry all over again. You know, I have to take a step back and simply marvel at what all a Clinton can get away with. But once the moment has passed, I very much want her and her husband to share a cell for the rest of their unnatural lives. Hmmm...maybe they could bunk with Saddam. They all have a lot in common ideologically.
8 posted on 10/21/2005 3:18:03 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Congressman Billybob
"The issue today is “Should America have a woman President?”

"I reply, “Of course, and not a moment too soon."

I disagree with that statement. I am a women and most women (I know) would rather have a man than another women as the head. For that reason it gives me hope that the women of this country WILL NOT vote for a women for President. Especially Hilliary. I think most women CAN NOT stand her or her shrill voice.

I am hoping the Republicans put up a GOOD STRONG man and Hilliary will be beat for sure.

I just don't think the United States is ready for a women and in my own opinion I hope we never are.

9 posted on 10/21/2005 3:18:42 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Congressman Billybob

I think a woman President is past likely and is something around a definite.

Within the next 3 election cycles, there WILL be a Female POTUS.

I can only hope that it's a Republican.


10 posted on 10/21/2005 3:20:14 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: Congressman Billybob; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; WilliamofCarmichael

Kamala Harris, someday, if we are not vigilant. You read it here first.


11 posted on 10/21/2005 3:26:23 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I think Condi would have a better chance of becoming VP than President. On the other hand, we really don't have front runner for pres.


12 posted on 10/21/2005 3:27:41 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Congressman Billybob

Excellent oped.


13 posted on 10/21/2005 3:29:00 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
The Clinton cronies who litter the staff of Ms. Davis’ show expect Americans to approve President Allen’s threat of war, without Congressional approval, over a single African woman’s life.

Actually, CB, for the folks on the left, their support for military action is inversely proportional to our level of national security at stake. So they are playing to their core audience here - the folks who applauded Kosovo but shriek that Iraq is an "illegal war" - even though Kosovo was carried out with no UN resolutions and against the terms of the Nato charter, whereas Bush had a slew of UN resolutions backing what he did in Iraq, dating back to the Gulf War.

14 posted on 10/21/2005 3:31:07 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I think it will be interesting to see how the Republican Presidential candidates will be forming a line in front of Condoleeza Rice's front door in order to have her as their Vice President.

Then she can run for office be successful at it and be the next President.


15 posted on 10/21/2005 3:32:05 PM PDT by seawolf101
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To: GOP_1900AD

The link below will inform people who, Kamala Harris is.

http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?fr=ybr_sbc&p=Kamala%20Harris,


16 posted on 10/21/2005 3:34:34 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

"litter the staff of Ms. Davis’" Well. I consider Hitlery the pick of the litter because she is a B----


17 posted on 10/21/2005 3:41:57 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Congressman Billybob
Many women would not vote for a woman for President... probably less men.

Particularly after the recent examples of leadership we've seen from the Governor of LA etc.

18 posted on 10/21/2005 3:51:49 PM PDT by dfrussell
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To: Congressman Billybob
I reply, “Of course, and not a moment too soon. But shouldn’t we put a LITTLE thought into which woman would be good for the job?”

I for one think this is just as applicable to FReepers who assume Condi Rice would a capable candidate in a national election, let alone an actual conservative President. The fan fiction I see on here regarding her potential running disappoints me. Not just that we don't know what she stands for on political issues (other then she opposed the Bush Administration on its stance on the Affirmitive Action/U of Michigan case,) but its truely disappointing that the Republican party doesn't have a deep bench that her name even comes up.

19 posted on 10/21/2005 4:16:04 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I can't believe I voted for this Cheap Labor Activist)
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To: Spunky
I think that there are many liberal women and metro males that would vote for Hillary just b/c she is a woman (well, sort of ; )AND I think that many moderate women would vote for her too just b/c she is a woman (and they will be the kicker).......they wouldn't call it sexism either, but of course that is exactly what it would be.

My husband employs a bunch of young women and they have said that they would vote for a woman just b/c "it would be cool to be a part of making the first woman president"...these are girls that voted for B. Clinton b/c they "wanted to vote for the one that was going to win"--like they would get a prize or something or would be able to say "I picked the winner" ?! Since then I never underestimate the stupidity of mainstream America.

As a conservative woman--I would vote for a woman IF she were the right woman.
20 posted on 10/21/2005 4:17:50 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious (Liberals are all about choice UNTIL you choose differently than them.)
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