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Teenage 'honour killing' victim stabbed 46 times
UK Telegraph ^ | 10/6/05 | Stewart Payne

Posted on 10/06/2005 5:29:18 PM PDT by wagglebee

A Muslim teenager was stabbed 46 times in an "honour killing" after getting engaged to a girl whose father had decided should marry someone else, a jury heard yesterday.

Chomar Ali, 44, a Bangladeshi, had organised an arranged marriage for his only daughter, Manna Begum, 19, and was furious when she not only started going out with Arash Ghorbani-Zarin, an Iranian, but became pregnant by him.

Ali confined his daughter to her room, where she slashed her wrists and had to be taken to hospital. On her return home she remained defiant and she and her boyfriend insisted they should stay together and get married.

Ali then arranged for his son and another youth to ambush 19-year-old Mr Ghorbani-Zarin in his car, a jury at Oxford Crown Court was told. The victim, a former Oxford Brookes University student, was found in November with his body tied to the driver's seat and covered in wounds.

Miss Begum was described in court as being in love with her boyfriend, who gave up his studies to support her and their unborn child.

"The dislike of the relationship is the motive for the attack on Mr Ghorbani-Zarin," said Julian Baughan, prosecuting. "The relationship with the girl brought shame and dishonour on the family. That drove the accused, led by the head of the family, to murder Mr Ghorbani-Zarin to vindicate the family's honour."

The relationship "was not in accordance with the family's religious belief and protocol", said Mr Baughan. "When they found out about it, they stopped her going out, seeing friends, or communicating on the phone."

After Miss Begum was released from hospital, Mr Ghorbani-Zarin tried to see her. Mr Ali told his wife to fetch a knife and the teenager was ordered to stay away.

Miss Begum was later allowed to return to college but used this as an opportunity to run away and stay with a friend's relative.

In August last year she discovered she was pregnant and the couple became engaged. "He wanted to marry her and live happily ever after," said Mr Baughan.

Miss Begum moved back to her family but continued to see her fiancé. On the night of his death, Mr Ghorbani-Zarin had arranged to pick her up to go to visit a friend. The jury heard that he never arrived.

A police patrol discovered him in his Renault a short distance from her house. His head had been tied to the head-restraint. Three of the wounds on his body had punctured his heart and 13 had punctured his lungs.

"Whoever attacked him intended to kill him," said Mr Baughan. Three days later a man was seen throwing a Tesco carrier bag into nearby allotments. It contained a bloodied knife with the tip snapped off, a baseball cap and a pair of black gloves among other clothing.

The court was told that on Nov 21, Ali's son, Mohammed Rahman, now also 19, was arrested at home and charged with the murder.

His father, a waiter at an Indian restaurant in Oxford, was charged on March 7.

Ali denies murder and assisting an offender. His son denies murder, as does a third defendant aged 16.

The trial continues.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barbarity; deathcult; eurabia; honorkilling; islam; muslim; muslimwomen; prop; religionofpigs; rop; sharia; swine; uk
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Muslims really are such "peace loving" people.
1 posted on 10/06/2005 5:29:20 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Knocking off the guy who got your unmarried daughter pregnant has roots in American tradition, too. The stabbing business is rather outre', but with Britain's gun laws ...


2 posted on 10/06/2005 5:32:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: wagglebee

Anyone still think this ilk is able to engage in rational dialogue with respect to making "Peace"????

WAKE UP!!!!!!!


3 posted on 10/06/2005 5:33:31 PM PDT by msf92497 (The most dangerous place to be is in a "mothers" womb.)
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What a cool culture.


4 posted on 10/06/2005 5:33:53 PM PDT by ladiesview61
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Straight out of the 9th Century are these scumbags.No wonder The Most Ethical President In History just announced that he wants them to win in Iraq.


5 posted on 10/06/2005 5:35:05 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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We really should honor and respect the culture and religion of these peace loving people. Who are we to say that the father was not simply practicing the dictates of the peace loving Islamic religion, as required by Allah.

just for those three who won't get it: /sarcasm

6 posted on 10/06/2005 5:35:42 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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These IslamoNazi dudes are way cool. I want them in my neighborhood, like real soon.


7 posted on 10/06/2005 5:37:32 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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But they wanted to get married,
Which,
at least accordin' to Southern Shotgun Wedding Tradition,
is the main objective.


8 posted on 10/06/2005 5:37:39 PM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: wagglebee

The religion of peace, love, and charitable sale of one's female relatives to the highest bidder.

Under Sharia, this killing was not a crime. The crime was the daughter not accepting the master to whom she was sold.

To put it in legal terms, the father's property rights in his daughter are superior to any right she may have to life (let alone to freedom of association).

This is the bare face of the mohammedan faith. This is the faith that they will have us all accept -- or kill us for resisting.

Any questions as to why we are at war?

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


9 posted on 10/06/2005 5:37:56 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: najida

Good point.


10 posted on 10/06/2005 5:40:33 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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I don't know, it certainly seems different to me!

11 posted on 10/06/2005 5:42:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: ladiesview61

Romeo and Juliet comes to mind...


12 posted on 10/06/2005 5:44:57 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: wagglebee

Clearly the U.K. must now ban steak knives.


13 posted on 10/06/2005 5:45:15 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error. " - Mohammed)
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Doesn't work: the boy was killed in this incident, not the girl.


14 posted on 10/06/2005 5:48:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: wagglebee

BTTT


15 posted on 10/06/2005 5:49:49 PM PDT by hattend (Rare Bear wins the Gold at Reno 2005)
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Knocking off the guy who got your unmarried daughter pregnant has roots in American tradition, too.

Only if he refused to marry her.

This guy wanted to marry the girl and was of the same religion.

I'll bet the reason why he is dead is because he is a Shi'ite and the girl's family Sunni.

16 posted on 10/06/2005 5:50:22 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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Under Sharia, this killing was not a crime. ...To put it in legal terms, the father's property rights in his daughter are superior to any right she may have to life

The story is written as if the daughter was murdered, but read it more closely - it is the daughter's "fiance" who was stabbed to death. He was an Iranian guy who had a relationship with a Bangaleshi woman.

There are a couple of odd points to this story.

It is repeatedly stated that the couple wanted to marry. So - why didn't they marry? Also, the pregnant woman had returned home to live with her family again, and then her boyfriend was murdered by them. I suspect a revenge killing, I wonder if she was in on it, and I am sure that the Iranian boyfriend had no intention of ever marrying this girl.

17 posted on 10/06/2005 5:50:40 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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I do hope your grasp of tax law is greater than your understanding of historic American social patterns.

While fathers might (rarely, very rarely) shoot the father of his daughter's bastard-to-be , it was generally an act of momentary passion.

In America, because of it's Judeo-Christian derivation, not to mention American pragmatism, having a husband for your daughter and a father for the child was better than an unmarried daughter with a bastard AND a father in jail.
Shotgun marriages - yes. But first degree murder, hired out to boot - was never the American way.

At a time when the lamestream media, the President, etc. are all denying the brutality, violence, and perversion which are an integral part of Islam, sometimes it is a bit hard to remember that sometimes some things really are both alien to, and antithetical to, how we in America have always lived.

And all the lies from media, officials, and CAIR won't make Islam a bit more compatible with the premises of America.

Only major changes in the Muslim faith/culture will accomplish that.

Don't hold your breath waiting.
18 posted on 10/06/2005 5:52:20 PM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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"The dislike of the relationship is the motive for the attack on Mr Ghorbani-Zarin," said Julian Baughan, prosecuting. "The relationship with the girl brought shame and dishonour on the family. That drove the accused, led by the head of the family, to murder Mr Ghorbani-Zarin to vindicate the family's honour."

Freakin' Muslims are Klingons

19 posted on 10/06/2005 5:52:35 PM PDT by hattend (Rare Bear wins the Gold at Reno 2005)
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To: Tax-chick

You're kidding right?

20 posted on 10/06/2005 5:53:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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