Posted on 09/27/2005 7:37:51 AM PDT by NYer
One of the great men mentioned here, 17th c. scholar Athanasius Kircher, had to describe his own work on astronomy as fiction, to avoid the sort of trouble Galilio had encountered.
Kircher, incidentally, gave us one of the earliest descriptions of a functional camera. The man's contributions went well beyond Egyptology. Here's an interesting page:
http://www.strangescience.net/kircher.htm
Sorry, but I don't worship people and organizations because of what they do. I worship God because of who He is.
The fact is that the Catholic Church has played a role in God's plan. It is not the Catholic Church's plan. God's plan would still go on without the Catholic Church.
If you really care about history, you will look back to the 4th Pope and the letter that he wrote to the Church of Corinth. That's where this whole mess began.
The Church of Corinth was not under Rome's rule, and yet the head of the Church of Rome wrote them a letter. When no one condemned him for writing a letter, future generations of Pope took this as the power and right to give orders and make decisions. There begins the layer upon layer. The searching for justification that Rome is supreme. Later they included Catholic into the name of the Church of Rome because they were so full of themselves. And the funniest thing is it all started with a letter that no one asked for and no one rebuked.
And if you even bother to read the letter, you will notice the opening statement "The Church of God which sojourns at Rome, to the Church of God sojourning at Corinth"
This Pope considered the churches to be seperate. He considered the churches as belonging to God. Now contrast that to the modern RCC's view that all churches and Bibles exist because of the Roman Catholic Church. Just a bit different don't you think?
Most interesting! Thanks for the link.
How the Scots invented the Modern World : the true story of how western Europe's poorest nation created our world & everything in it
Available at your local public library. If your library does not have it, try interlibrary loan.
The article is not talking about the 'work ethic',it's talking about the relationship between the Catholic Church and 'scholarship' in Western Civilization. After all, it was monastic congregations and Church libraries that protected and copied important manuscripts from the ancient scientists and astronomers. That's how these important documents came to be available to the scientists and scholars of the early Middle Ages who led Western Civilization out of the 'Dark Ages'.
"Sorry, but I don't worship people and organizations because of what they do. I worship God because of who He is.
The fact is that the Catholic Church has played a role in God's plan. It is not the Catholic Church's plan. God's plan would still go on without the Catholic Church.
If you really care about history, you will look back to the 4th Pope and the letter that he wrote to the Church of Corinth. That's where this whole mess began.
The Church of Corinth was not under Rome's rule, and yet the head of the Church of Rome wrote them a letter. When no one condemned him for writing a letter, future generations of Pope took this as the power and right to give orders and make decisions. There begins the layer upon layer. The searching for justification that Rome is supreme. Later they included Catholic into the name of the Church of Rome because they were so full of themselves. And the funniest thing is it all started with a letter that no one asked for and no one rebuked.
And if you even bother to read the letter, you will notice the opening statement "The Church of God which sojourns at Rome, to the Church of God sojourning at Corinth"
This Pope considered the churches to be seperate. He considered the churches as belonging to God. Now contrast that to the modern RCC's view that all churches and Bibles exist because of the Roman Catholic Church. Just a bit different don't you think?"
From the article: It is much easier to propagate historical myth than most people realize. (but you're doing your part, I see).
That's not really true. The Jesuits would take anyone with talent. Some of the worlds greatest philosophers and scientists came from Jesuit schools.
Catholics do worship people. They worship Mary less than God, but more than the saints. You can try and obscure by using the word venerate, but it is a heirarchy of worship. That is the way they used to teach it. Be proud of who you are.
When Clement wrote the words from Rome to Corinth, he was not stating jurisdiction, but direction. A letter from Rome to Corinth.
Ignatius used the word catholic as is was initially meant to be used. It means universal, as in we all worship the same God with the same truths. Just as it is used in the creeds. Later the Church of Rome changed it's name to Catholic because it believed it was the universal church and salvation was not possible outside of the RCC. Power hungry men thirsting for worldly power.
Every member of the one holy catholic and apostolic church will be in heaven. Not every member of the RCC will be in heaven. They are not the same.
This assertion that the catholic church was the builder of Western Civilization is rather interesting. Now, if he means the Western World in the dark ages... the catholic... notice the small "c"... church certainly played a great part in accumulating power and knowledge. I say accumulating because many of the scientific developments he states in this article were birthed out of knowledge in Arab libraries... most likely in Spain. You can make the argument that this was, in part, stolen knowledge from Eastern Christendom, but where do you stop and simply say that the growth of knowledge has been a long on-going process. If he means the Western world in the sense of our current democraticized society... then the catholic church can not be credited too much. After all, there were a series of wars between the protestants and the catholics. The catholic church was extremely heirarchical, contrary to what would be commonly accepted as a precept to the "Western World". Also, the church denied its members the ability to read the inspired word of the God they claimed to serve. It was the protestants literacy, derived from the desire to read the bible, that made them extremely successful in wealth and power. It was also was the protestant mindset that birthed civil liberties and equality. As a note... I use "protestant" in the most liberal sense of the word. Protestant is a mindset or a way of thinking that had been around from the beginning... therefore defeating the term protestant. There was a time when the thought grew rapidly in popularity, but why label it with a time oriented term? Perhaps we protestants should also go with calling it the "Universal Church".
It is always so enjoyable when an anti-catholic tells ME what I worship and what I do not worship.
You are wrong, my friend. You have completely misrepresented the catholic faith - not that that would worry you.
I'll say it again...this has nothing to do with the original point of my original post concerning scripture.
I have heard your garbage many times before, and I find it trivial and quite boring - it has been debunked over and again - not that that would matter to you.
Hus was burned at the stake in 1415, with Wycliffe’s manuscript Bibles used as kindling for the fire. The last words of John Hus were that, “in 100 years, God will raise up a man whose calls for reform cannot be suppressed.” Almost exactly 100 years later, in 1517, Martin Luther nailed his famous 95 Theses of Contention (a list of 95 issues of heretical theology and crimes of the Roman Catholic Church) into the church door at Wittenberg.
The prophecy of Hus had come true! Martin Luther went on to be the first man to print the Bible in the German language. Foxe’s Book of Martyrs records that in that same year, 1517, seven people were burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church for the crime of teaching their children to say the Lord’s Prayer in English rather than Latin."
Those urban myths are a bear aren't they.
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