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How the (Catholic) Church Built Western Civilization
Zenit News Agency ^ | September 26, 2005

Posted on 09/27/2005 7:37:51 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer

How can this be? The words "Christ," "Christian" and "Catholic" are absent from the new 70k-word EU constitution... < /s>


21 posted on 09/27/2005 8:27:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: kidd

99% is a stretch...but your intention is true.

people of similar faiths should learn to work together.


22 posted on 09/27/2005 8:28:47 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: MissAmericanPie
I think Protestants did quite well in the good old USofA after having wrenched the bible from the hands of those that didn't allow the ordinary man to read it,

Who can disagree that Protestant America and it's Constitution have given the world it's greatest and inspired discoveries.

I can.

23 posted on 09/27/2005 8:32:52 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: whershey
That Catholic Church was far from a perfect entity.

It most certainly is perfect. It is divine. However, Church men including popes are often far from perfect.

The Spanish inquisition for instance stagnated the population and played at least a small part in Spain falling from the role of being a great power.

The Real Inquisition

24 posted on 09/27/2005 8:38:56 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: rjp2005
"Good point about art and culture being an area needing more confident Catholic artists."
Actually, after Michelangelo one positively does not need any more Catholic artists, for they are bound to be much worse, be they more confident or less so. Why spoil a perfect score?
25 posted on 09/27/2005 8:45:01 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: NYer

they are also responsible for the downfall, because of advocating illegal immigration through their Catholic Charities. Aiding and abetting illegal aliens is a crime. The Catholic church is responsible for.


26 posted on 09/27/2005 8:49:19 AM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: Pyro7480

"The "ordinary man," that you refer to, even up until 19th century, couldn't read. Literacy did not become widespread until then. Also, before this time, if you were literate, there was a good chance that you could read Latin as well. Up until the Protestant "Reformation," the Bible was available for anyone to read in Latin, since it was the intellectual language of the time. The problem the Church had with vernacular translations wasn't with the translations themselves, it was the fact that most were bad translations."

Good point.
And I'll add some more.
Up until the invention of the printing press, churches needed to guard their copies of the scriptures from theft so they could be read to the faithful at mass.
Scriptures were copied by hand and generally were only available to churches and those wealthy enough to purchase copies.
So...it is a lie that the Catholic Church denied access to scriptures.
Like you pointed out - the Church had to root out BAD copies that contained error - and the faithful listened to the Word at mass.
That's beside the point that the original manuscripts were preserved, translated, and declared divinely inspired by the Catholic Church to begin with.


27 posted on 09/27/2005 8:50:01 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: NYer

This should be interesting.


28 posted on 09/27/2005 8:50:45 AM PDT by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: television is just wrong

Hey, I'm Catholic, and I have no disagreement with you there. To be more specific, it's the liberation theology wing of the Catholic Church.


29 posted on 09/27/2005 8:52:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (If you're still voting Democrat, you're stuck on stupid!)
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To: txzman

You are always invited back to the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church.


30 posted on 09/27/2005 8:52:59 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kidd

What you say is so true!


31 posted on 09/27/2005 8:57:41 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: murphE

Me too!


32 posted on 09/27/2005 8:58:39 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: wallcrawlr
"..people of similar faiths should learn to work together."

Actually they do. Go to an "anti-abortion" protest--probably half the folks will be Roman Catholics, and the other half will be Southern Baptists and similar "fundamentalist churches".

33 posted on 09/27/2005 8:59:58 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: television is just wrong

Well, I guess that's bad news for you gringo.


34 posted on 09/27/2005 9:16:22 AM PDT by rudyudy
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To: Scotswife
Hoot man - it is all well and good that you agree with your church's extra biblical traditions - but there are quite a few dead Anabaptist who might disagree with your rosy review of church history and their martyrdom
35 posted on 09/27/2005 9:32:27 AM PDT by reflecting (Orange Beach - the most eastern beach in Alabama)
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To: rudyudy

racial terms are unacceptable on this website. The "G" word is just as bad as the N word.


36 posted on 09/27/2005 9:37:50 AM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: SirKit

Check this out!


37 posted on 09/27/2005 9:43:40 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: reflecting

Your fictional "dead Anabaptists" have nothing to do with the origin of scripture and the fact that it was the Catholic Church that preserved it, translated it, and declared it divinely inspired.

You don't have to be catholic to see this...all you have to do is study history.


38 posted on 09/27/2005 10:57:52 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: NYer

Interesting. I'll check it out; a fresh perspective is always welcome. But he'd better have his facts, jots and tiddles lined up smartly!


39 posted on 09/27/2005 11:12:48 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: whershey
But all the same I find it hard to believe that western civilization would exist today if it hadn't been for the church.

I think the author is going beyond a claim that the Church merely preserved civilization (or didn't do it fatal damage!) It is also widely held that western civilization would not exist today if it hadn't been for the Arabs in the 8th-11th centuries.
Personally I think that empires and hegemonies wind up inimical to learning, if they don't actually start out that way, and insofar as they don't altogether smother civilization, they simply don't try hard enough, or they haven't the means to extinguish every last spark.
And of course, at times they just kept their enemies (inquiring minds) close.
I'll need convincing that the Church actively encouraged or nurtured scientific inquiry, its barely tolerable "red-haired stepchild."

40 posted on 09/27/2005 11:32:28 AM PDT by Graymatter
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