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The Dark side of the “Force”
Gulf1 ^ | 9/26/2005 | Col. Robert L. Pappas, USMC, ret.

Posted on 09/26/2005 7:39:51 AM PDT by XR7

What if the US had saved all the money it has spent over the past 65 years instead of spending it on Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom and others? What if the US had let Saddam Hussein keep his foothold in Kuwait? What if the US had allowed NORIEGA to remain in power in Panama? What if the US didn’t defend its vital interests’ in Europe and allowed socialist Hitler, imperialist Japan or communist Stalin to reign supreme?

For “liberal” readers, over 100 million people perished at the hands of those two kindred socialist political spirits. And American “socialists” want us to believe their “liberal” swill about “giving peace a chance?” Nothing is more precious than peace, but what our “liberal friends” can’t grasp is that it takes eternal vigilance backed by the determination and will to defend itself that keeps a nation free.

The Democrat lead U.S. Congress in the 1970s cut off funding to the War effort in Vietnam. That resulted in the beleaguered people of South Vietnam no longer being able to defend themselves. Those “Liberals” gave “peace a chance” alright, and more than 10 million people died at the hands of “peace loving” socialists and communists in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos.

John Stuart Mill wrote: “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” John Stuart Mill English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

Whereas there is nothing more precious than peace, peace under Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, and a host of others would be a living hell, for those who survived. No wonder Patrick Henry’s poignant words, “give me liberty or give me death” strike a harmonic cord with patriotic Americans. No wonder that those who have bothered to study un-revised and unvarnished American History, acknowledge their faults while appreciating the great successes of those who founded this country.

In a society where freedom is paramount, which incidentally is bought and paid for with the blood, sweat and tears of patriotic members of the Armed Forces, there have always been and will always be those whose self-appointed mission in life is to tear down those who underwrite detractors’ right to freely write and say what they will. So it is with Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore and others of similar ilk, both left and right. Of course the foregoing want peace; and so do Islamofacists. All it takes is to read what they write, listen to what they say and observe what they do and it doesn’t take Einstein to conclude what Islamofacist terrorists want; peace on their terms, which is the destruction of America, and the killing of all Christians and Jews.

Notably, despite the combined efforts of the mainstream media with the “behind the scenes” support of the Democrat Party and other ignobles, Sheehan fails to inspire or attract mainstream Americans (There are a hundred thousand whackos who would turn out for any cause, why does the reader think that the Florida Constitution now “protects” pregnant sows?). Mainstream Americans can see that Sheehan is a pathetic loser as she and her fellow-traveling quislings show their true colors; and those colors are not red, white and blue.

Semper Fidelis


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; antiwar; antiwarprotesters; appeasement; cindysheehan; codepink; communism; force; givepeaceachance; michaelmoore; pappas; peaceniks; pissniks; terrorism; vietnam; war; waronterror
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1 posted on 09/26/2005 7:39:52 AM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7
Bravo!

BTTT

2 posted on 09/26/2005 7:45:49 AM PDT by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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To: XR7

"What if the US had allowed NORIEGA to remain in power in Panama?"

Assuming that we also hadn't indicted him or placed banking sanctions on panama, it would probably be much as it was in 1985. You gotta wonder if a military government would have been more helpful in actually trying to negotiate continued use of Howard AFB and/or Fort Sherman.


3 posted on 09/26/2005 7:51:08 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: XR7

Outstanding!


4 posted on 09/26/2005 7:51:40 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: XR7

fantastic!


5 posted on 09/26/2005 7:52:37 AM PDT by RDTF
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To: XR7
The Democrat lead U.S. Congress in the 1970s cut off funding to the War effort in Vietnam. That resulted in the beleaguered people of South Vietnam no longer being able to defend themselves. Those “Liberals” gave “peace a chance” alright, and more than 10 million people died at the hands of “peace loving” socialists and communists in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos.

And they welcome Castro with open arms when he visits America...

6 posted on 09/26/2005 7:56:51 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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"communist Stalin to reign supreme?"

It is notable in all fairness that we allowed him all of slavic europe and a part of germany and austria.


7 posted on 09/26/2005 7:57:40 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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"What if the US had allowed NORIEGA to remain in power in Panama?"

He'd have missed out on hearing Nancy Sinatra being played over CIA loudspeakers at 1,500 decibels.

That in an of itself was worth surrendering for. ;)


8 posted on 09/26/2005 7:58:58 AM PDT by TheRobb7 (The American Spirit does not require a federal subsidy.)
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To: XR7

Truth and excellence; my two favorite combinations.

BUMP!


9 posted on 09/26/2005 8:01:08 AM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: XR7
Whereas there is nothing more precious than peace, peace under Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, and a host of others would be a living hell, for those who survived.

My only complaint with the article is the there is one thing more precious than peace: freedom. He actually proves this point but fails to state it outright.

10 posted on 09/26/2005 8:03:14 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Political looters" should be shot on sight)
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To: XR7

Fantastic column!


11 posted on 09/26/2005 8:10:20 AM PDT by Brainhose (My name is Manuel. I am from Barcelona.)
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To: WoofDog123

Carter still gave it to his favorite people COMMUNIST chinese.

Carter should be number one on the list for charges of TREASON and murder followed closely by clinton.


12 posted on 09/26/2005 8:14:05 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.spadata.com)
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To: Thumper1960

bump


13 posted on 09/26/2005 8:18:31 AM PDT by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: XR7
How would these peaceniks have responded to Hitler and the Nazis? Would they make straight lines to the gas chambers while singing kumbaya?
14 posted on 09/26/2005 8:37:03 AM PDT by The Great RJ (q)
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"What if the US had allowed NORIEGA to remain in power in Panama?"

Don't the Chinese basically control the canal?

15 posted on 09/26/2005 8:41:45 AM PDT by montag813
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Well... you start putting Noriega and Hitler in the same category, and you’ve got a style of argument that will take you pretty much anywhere you want to go.

Also, if you want to play geo-political “What-If”, it’s wise to do this an awareness of something larger than a exclusively US perspective.

For example there is a persistent strain of conservative opinion in England – not by any means a majority, but a minority opinion which run down from the later 1930s right to the present , held by entirely respectable and respected politicians and historians (at least in England) - that London woud have done much better to have made a separate peace with Hitler (or at last seriously threatened to do so when bargaining for US aid) than to have exited WWII an economic vassal of the US.

(And please - don’t argue the point with me, I'm not the one making the argument.)

This view is of course anathema it conservatives here, but its worth remembering that our view of such matters – for example that Hitler and Stalin were irrational and unique evils - is not universal even amongst those we consider our natural political and ideological allies elesewhere.

17 posted on 09/26/2005 9:33:00 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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There are two forms of peace: the peace that comes as a result of capitulation and enslavement and the peace that comes after the war is won. I prefer the latter to the former.


18 posted on 09/26/2005 9:48:49 AM PDT by enotheisen
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To: montag813

" Don't the Chinese basically control the canal?"

This is urban myth which is treated as fact by some here on FR.

Hutchinson Whampoa controls Balboa and Cristobal ports. H-W apparently tried to get the berths at the former Rodman naval station also but was unable to. It is generally accepted that H-W won the bidding for the Balboa and Cristobal port lease corruptly (surprise, this is latin america). It is often stated that H-W has ties or is close to the PRC, which obviously it has to be to some degree.

The successor entity to the Panama Canal Commission controls all canal operations, and is directly controlled (and owned) by the panama government., with substantially the same workforce it had at turnover in 1999.


19 posted on 09/26/2005 9:50:54 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: hombre_sincero

"Carter still gave it to his favorite people COMMUNIST chinese. "

Ok, I will bite. How do the chinese control the canal, canal operations, canal territory, canal employees, canal administration or any of the above in any way?

A lot can be said about the chinese in panama (mainly the large level of illegal or corruptly allowed immigration and the semi-closed chinese sub-economy that has been created, along with the attendant problems of organized crime, etc), but this ongoing stuff about the chinese canal needs to either be substantiated or dispelled.


20 posted on 09/26/2005 9:54:52 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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