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The Left has lost the Concept of Sacrifice (Vanity)
9/22/2005 | Me

Posted on 09/22/2005 7:43:27 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

I just finished watching the Phil Donahue/Bill O'Reilly debate on FOX News. As I listened to Phil spew out unintelligable conspiracy theories and overall lambast those who continued to support the War on Terror, one line jumped out at me.

"Almost 2000 people have died."

It got me thinking (don't worry, I'm not going soft on those terrorist scumbags.)...and one very big fact jumped out at me: the Left has lost the concept of sacrifice. Wait; let me rephrase that: they can't grasp it, and they never have.

I'm not saying that the 1900+ deaths are insignificant. We should all mourn for those who died fighting for the freedom and liberty of our country and for those who were oppressed by evil men (I'm talking to you Saddam. I hope you get your just rewards.). However, instead of dwelling on their deaths and clinging to them as if they were an immovable tombstone, we should acknowledge that they fought for a noble cause worth dying for.

A cause worth dying for. That is a phrase whose meaning has been lost on many people, particularly those on the Left.

Take Cindy Sheehan for example. Sure, she lost her son. She had her talk with President Bush (more than once, I might add). And yet she continually spews hatred and nonsense that no sane person should have to acknowledge, due to the sheer idiocy of it all. And yet, she does a disservice to her son by this. What is even more appalling is the fact that the mainstream media (AKA, an old and antiquated fossil; in comparison to the new media of the Internet and the bloggers, it is ENIAC compared to an IBM bladeserver, and that's being generous) continues to give her lip service and outlet for her misguided words, even though no one cares anymore. It made me chuckle to hear Phil call the upcoming protest in D.C. 'the biggest since the Vietnam War' in light of the fact Cindy's own White House march garnered only 29 supporters. That's right. 29. Are we supposed to believe that the anti-war crowd comprises the majority of America as Phil Donahue seems to believe (take into account deductive reasoning and the contrapositive, and his 'pro-war equals minority' statement equals the exact same thing)? I think not.

And yet, the Left continues to scream that the Iraq War is illegal, and that is a quagmire. It is strange and surreal to hear them say that; from a military standpoint, things in Iraq are progressing with unprecedented success. Iraqis are becoming more involved with defending their own country, and enemy terrorists are decreasing in number in light of increasing Iraqi security. Even the leaders of the Sunni mosques (you know, the ones who encouraged Sunni Arabs that voting in the Iraqi election was 'unIslamic') are encouraging people to vote on the constitution, and that they owe it to be loyal to the new Iraqi government. To hear the Left declare that the war in Iraq is going horribly are either ignorant, or they simply don't care for it. Either option implies very bad things for them, and it doesn't speak well for the Left (Speak well? For them? Pffft.).

But still, one has to wonder why they are so vehemently anti-war (aside from the fact they want to stroke their egos and feel important again). One has to wonder why they continuously stroll out the death toll of Americans (and curiously never giving a second glance to the enemy death toll).

And then it clicks.

They do not understand the concept of sacrifice.

For instance, take this figure.

War Deaths Addendum
American Revolution 25,324 Bunker Hill cost 400 American lives
War of 1812 2,260  
Mexican War 13,283  

Civil War

Union
Confederacy



498,332
364,821
Antietam cost 5,000 lives on both sides: bloodiest day in American history
Spanish-American War 2,446  
World War I 116,516 Battle of Somme cost 19,240 British lives on a single day (total British casualties that day: 57,470)
World War II 405,399

Other Losses:
Soviet: 10,000,000
German: 3,500,000
Japan: 1,500,000
British: 280,000

At Dunkirk the British suffered 68,000 casualties

Korean War 54,246  
Vietnam War 56,244  
Gulf War (1991) 148  

The death toll in all other wars, save for the Gulf War (which lasted only a month), outpaces that of the Iraq War. Even the Spanish-American War has more casualties. To continuously repeat the death toll and scream the death toll as if some horrific genocide has occured is idiocy. There are single battles and solitary incidents that have taken more deaths than the entire span of the Iraq War.

Antietam in the Civil War. 3620 Americans killed. Add wounded, and the number jumps to 23,110.

Pearl Harbor. 2,403.

D-Day. Roughly 2,500.

9/11. 3,021.

Did we obsess over the death toll for the battle of D-Day? I'm sure some did. But no one else cared what they had to say: everyone else was focused on ridding Europe and the world of the Nazi scourge. No one cared about lamenting the losses; they knew time for that would come AFTER they won the war. To do otherwise would be detrimental to the cause. Why can't the Left grasp that?

Simple. They are unable to. And if they tried, the would cringe, as they don't have the character to do so.

Take this excerpt from the Declaration of Independence:

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. --And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

Do you understand that? The Founding Fathers put everything on the line for freedom and liberty. They pledged their lives, their wealth, and their honor for the sake of the United States of America. Even if the Revolutionary War had been lost, they would not have cared to appease the British; they did what was right. They did not care for the consequences. To put it bluntly, their lives were forfeit once they signed the Declaration of Independence.

When you think about it, it makes the Left seem so petty and arrogant that you have no choice but to shake your head out of pity or laugh. Their hatred of Bush has consumed them, blinding them to common sense, logic, and facts.

Here's another example. Every year, 60,000 Americans die. 60,000. From what, you might ask?

Auto accidents.

That's right. Yet you never hear the outrage from the Left, asking for the banning of cars from the road. You never hear them roar for the creation of 'independent commissions' for investigating why so many deaths have occurred. They simply shrug it off, tune it out, or ignore it.

But when it comes to the Iraq War, it's open season. They hound every solitary death statistic like vultures picking at a corpse. Their hypocrisy is so staggeringly obvious that it makes one gag.

Nevertheless, it only reinforces my point. In their attempts to deride the Bush Administration and to feel significant again, they are blinding themselves to the truth.

Of course the deaths of American soldiers are worth lamenting. Such brave souls are worth mourning over. However, to decry the noble and righteous moral cause they died for as unpatriotic sullies every soldier who died in the service of our country. Continually lambasting the Iraq War and the War on Terror as 'illegal' is akin to soiling on the soldiers' graves.

So to Phil Donahue; next time you want to get on the air and decry the efforts of American soldiers, you only affirm the fact that you are a coward who doesn't have the strength of character or the moral conviction to sacrifice personal comfort and your life.

And take my advice: never go to interview a Marine, a Navy SEAL, or a ground pounder. They'll probably punch your lights out.


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Thoughts?
1 posted on 09/22/2005 7:43:29 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
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To: ImaGraftedBranch; Behind Liberal Lines; MikeinIraq; wagglebee; Dales; wallcrawlr

Ping.


2 posted on 09/22/2005 7:44:41 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (We DARE Defend Our Rights [Alabama State Motto])
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Nice very nice.

Thanks for the chart, great reference point.
3 posted on 09/22/2005 7:46:35 PM PDT by roylene
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I got the pleasure to watch that interview.

I was actually LAUGHING at Donahuckster and hoping that the Bloviator (great wrestling gimmick I think) would hit him.


4 posted on 09/22/2005 7:47:47 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Hey Fox News, MORE MOLLY, LESS Greta)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Hey I really liked your post. I have been thinking for some time that Sacrifice is one of the most beautiful things a person can do. Shame so many have lost touch with what a virtue it is.


5 posted on 09/22/2005 7:48:00 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
In modern war, the enemies of the American military suffer a casualty rate that is easily 10 times what we suffer. In some situations, I believe it approaches 100 times our casualty rate.

And my big fear is that in all the world, China is perhaps the only country that would still consider a war to be acceptable if casulty rates were kept below, let's say, the 20 million mark.

We'd cut and run long before China registered any pain.

6 posted on 09/22/2005 7:48:54 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Phil is ten times as despicable as Bill-I rest my case.
7 posted on 09/22/2005 7:50:13 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Show me a liberal and I'll show you a head designed for nothing but cracking walnuts.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Good article, well thought and good statistics. There were once liberals that understood honor and sacrifice. Of course those men if alive today would be bedrock conservatives.
8 posted on 09/22/2005 7:52:19 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (DU, more toxic than New Orleans water.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

you couldn't strategically fight the Chinese on a one to one basis....

It would be an interesting fight with the chicoms that is for sure


9 posted on 09/22/2005 7:53:24 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Hey Fox News, MORE MOLLY, LESS Greta)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Thoughts?

Yeah I have a thought. It isn't original and I don't remember who said it but it bears repeating here:

Pacifists are parasites who live off of the sins of others.

10 posted on 09/22/2005 7:53:25 PM PDT by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Fantastic post. I wish someone would do the research and show the percentages of Americans who die by accident each year vs. the percentage of deaths in Iraq of all who have rotated through.


11 posted on 09/22/2005 7:55:04 PM PDT by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I know this has been said before here, but thank God we weren't this America during WW2. They knew sacrifice and did it proudly. Imagine for a moment asking this bunch to have ration cards, to give up things for the war effort! They would go ballistic. In fact, they are now for no reason. Sure, we mourn each death, but they sign up knowing this. They believe in this cause. I am appalled and frankly scared of Americans these days. I don't know who they are.


12 posted on 09/22/2005 7:56:20 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Excellent. I will be saving this for future use, like right now.


13 posted on 09/22/2005 7:57:52 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thanks for posting, I'm cutting, pasting and e-mailing everyone! I, like you, find it difficult to watch and listen to these idiots that don't get it, can't fathom it, and will stop at nothing short of making a@@@s of themselves while trying to explain their idiot beliefs. I wish interviewers, (BOR, etc.) would argue the case that those "kids" sign up as adults. We don't send anybody without their consent to be sent. Liberals make no sense to me except non-sense. I fear for our military angels who "walk the talk" without complaint, but yet, here are all these limo-libs spouting the worst hate-speach toward conservatives, our troops, our President....

Sorry, rant done.


14 posted on 09/22/2005 7:59:57 PM PDT by jp3 ("Who cares what entertainers think about international affairs." Johnny Carson, Dec. 1967)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

All one need do is to ask old Phil,

"Yes, O.K., and how many Iraqi civilians have been killed by the insurgents and the terrorists (15,000),

"and how many Iraqi civilians have been killed just for trying to vote or just for trying to join the police force, or just because they publicly denounced the terrorists, or just because they are Shia and not Sunni, or just because they are not former Baathists???"

"How many Mr. Phil? And what did THEY die for? You really think they died for us and not for their own chance for a democratic government?"

"You really think our troops are dieing for oil and not for those Iraqis?"

"Because if that's what you think Phil, then you are a bigger idiot than I always thought you were."


15 posted on 09/22/2005 8:00:38 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Made a slight goof on Antietam info (table and text right below it contradict each other). Even so, it outpaces the Iraq War either way.


16 posted on 09/22/2005 8:00:49 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (We DARE Defend Our Rights [Alabama State Motto])
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To: Mount Athos

Well said...

"Everyone dies, few get to do it for FREEDOM.

Heard that on Sean one day, need to put it on a bumper sticker.


17 posted on 09/22/2005 8:02:07 PM PDT by jp3 ("Who cares what entertainers think about international affairs." Johnny Carson, Dec. 1967)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

When it comes to political leadership, both parties are found lacking. The left stands, these days for nothing; and the right these days sure look and smell like the left used to.


18 posted on 09/22/2005 8:02:10 PM PDT by ImpBill (Nothing More!)
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To: jp3

All the leftists are a bunch of sniveling cowardly girly men. If you confront one of them with the truth of your convictions they will melt like a wet dishrag. Treat them like the morons that they are.


19 posted on 09/22/2005 8:02:43 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats = The Excrement of America)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Actually, I suspect they do understand sacrifice. It's death with a purpose.

They are all in favor of killing innocent unborn children, because that is done for the convenience of the mother. They oppose capital punishment, because that is killing with a moral purpose.

They have no problem with 60,000 automobile deaths, because those are accidental. They cannot abide by one death, or one killing, by our soldiers in battle, for that is done with a moral purpose.

What they abhor, above all else, is acting on moral purpose, for such is a grievous violation of their "religion".

The greater the moral purpose, the more they hate it.

20 posted on 09/22/2005 8:04:14 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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