Among Voters in New Jersey, G.O.P. Sees Dead People

NY Times ^ | September 16, 2005 | DAVID W. CHEN

[Pharmboy]

TRENTON, Sept. 15 - The joke has long been that dead people vote in Hudson County, New Jersey's legendary enclave of machine politics. But now the joke may be on New Jersey, according to a new analysis of voter records by the state's Republican Party.

Comparing information from county voter registration lists, Social Security death records and other public information, Republican officials announced on Thursday that 4,755 people who were listed as deceased appear to have voted in the 2004 general election. Another 4,397 people who were registered to vote in more than one county appeared to have voted twice, while 6,572 who were registered in New Jersey and in one of five other states selected for analysis voted in each state.

At a news conference at the State House, Tom Wilson, the state's party chairman, took pains to say that the analysis did not look at voters' party affiliation. He also said that the party was not accusing voters of committing fraud, suggesting instead that someone else may have exploited their names without their knowledge.

[Pharmboy]

The Blue States are a lot redder than people may think...and the joke about "How come dead people only vote democrat?" wears a bit thin when these criminals are put in office year after year under these fraudulent means.

Mayor Daley--call yer office.

[Recon Dad]

This should be on going in every state from now until the next national election. Why can't there be a cross match made on every state and county to find the duplicates and dead bodies.

There are at least 4 states that will change from blue to red if Republicans work hard cleaning up the voter fraud crap. If they don't do the work the Dems won't.

[skinkinthegrass]

Ahhh, Yes...Where Voters are very civil-minded, they're just dying to get to the pollin' places...VOTING, WHERE THE JOKE IS NEW JERSEY.

[Pearls Before Swine]

This should be on going in every state from now until the next national election.

Agreed, but it won't mean squat unless voter ID is enforced. That's even bigger than the dead rising on Election Day.

[elli1]

The Blue States are a lot redder than people may think.

For sure. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any reason to get out the dead vote.

[Recon Dad]

Totally agree.

[maica]

I'm sure that the number of voters in New Orleans and the number of people accounted for after Katrina will be vastly different. No wonder Mayor Nagin was trying to make 10000 people disappear.

[Jacquerie]

"The Republican Party is infamous for voter suppression tactics, so they occupy the moral low ground on this issue."

No shame.

[highlymotivated]

The dims do that EVERY election. THEY call it opening up the graveyards! Heck, they even have VANS there to take the dead to the polls! HAHA.

[sure_fine]

what is going to be done about it?

[An.American.Expatriate]

what is going to be done about it?

Not a damn thing!

[Abathar]

Interesting story, my mother is retired and is heavily involved in the republican Party. She has volunteered to head up what is called the "voter vault" in our county, she is going through all the public records and updating the party rolls and comparing them to the voter records. She and my daughter get together every couple of days and go through the obituaries to cross out people, kind of macobb(?) in a way but they are finding out a lot of things wrong with the system.

[cloud8]

The NY Times discovers voter fraud in NJ...this could be hugh! series! (Actually it will be curtains for the Dems if the GOP does the same in every precinct nationwide. But don't count on it.)

[daybreakcoming]

This should not stand for the US. Maybe we just need to start dipping fingers in ink.

[bikepacker67]

kind of macobb(?)

Macabre ;-)

[sure_fine]

Not a damn thing!





I know that, but for whatever reason, I thought it should be ask

[libs_kma]

There's a whole lof of people out there that vote Republican until the day they die. After that..........

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"what is going to be done about it?"

The NYT teams up with conservatives against a piece of rat corruption? Something's gotta give, and I see little leverage on the side of corruption at this point-- in this one issue at least.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"Maybe we just need to start dipping fingers in ink."

I don't want to see all the empty grave sites, and find bodies strewn around with ink on their fingers. I'd just as soon keep the fraud. [just kidding =]

Seriously, it's the late-night or early morning voting when the dead come out. You don't see them walking to the voting booth, because they have 'a channeller' in the building.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Did NJ keep their old voting system? Punch cards, etc?

[highlymotivated]

because they have 'a channeller' in the building.

Would that be John Edwards?

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"Would that be John Edwards?"

Or Hillary? Or the local union mobster.

[rhombus]

The 10,000 who died in New Orleans should translate into some hefty reelection votes for the Mayor and the Governor. ;-)

[stocksthatgoup]

They got nothing on Milwaukee

[FreedomPoster]

I'm thinking PA and WI for starters. What are your 4?

[FreedomPoster]

Hopefully we'll start seeing a lot of this, timed such that it will be obvious to the voters what has been going on, just in time for the 2006 mid-term elections.

[FreedomPoster]

We passed that law here in GA this year. And of course, the ACLU is fighting it.

[rightwingintelligentsia]

Here in Pittsburgh, a friend of mine volunteered to be a GOP pollwatcher last November. Out of curiosity, a fellow volunteer decided to check the voter rolls to see if her deceased parents were still on them. She discovered that true to form, though they had been Republicans all their lives, they ended up voting Democrat in the last election.

[umgud]

Dead Reckoning?

[stocksthatgoup]

DNC Get Out The Vote Campaign

"Bring out your dead"

[Jim_Curtis]

what is going to be done about it?

I'm sure our compassionate Republican leaders won't want to be seen as disenfranchising the most downtrodden of all, the dead.

[Recon Dad]

Those were two of mine along with Minnesota, Washington. I guess after that you just go through a look for the close races and work those also.

[Unicorn]

BTTT

[YaYa123]

I just posted a similiar article from today's 'Star Ledger', but I'm surprised to see The New York Times covering this as well. Even with the NYT's usual spin, New Jersey voter fraud is looking more and more like Louisiana...corrupt to the core.

[AnAmericanMother]

He also said that the party was not accusing voters of committing fraud, suggesting instead that someone else may have exploited their names without their knowledge.

Well . . . I hope that's true at least of the dead people . . .

[FreedomPoster]

Good call, I forgot about Washington being so close, and all the questionable stuff in Seattle. Didn't realize MN was so close, but then isn't MPLS where they had the college students apparently voting multiple times? Do I have the place right, for that one?

[SampleMan]

It seems that tying your SSN to your vote would make sense. A computer could easily tell if there were multiple hits on one number, (voting more than once, or coming back from the dead). All votes for that SSN would then be voided and in investigation started. The real person identified and if determined a victim of ID theft allowed to recast their ballot (once).

[poobear]

"No wonder Mayor Nagin was trying to make 10000 people disappear."

LOL! Morbid humor.

My thoughts were they would start counting the already dead in the cemeteries as hurricane victims.

[Recon Dad]

As I remember MN was pretty close.

[ABG(anybody but Gore)]

We passed that law here in GA this year. And of course, the ACLU is fighting it.

We passed Voter ID after Mary Landrieu, aka Barbara Boxer Jr., stole the Senate election from Woody Jenkins in 1996. X42 beat Dole by over 100,000 votes in Louisiana, but Landrieu only "won" by about 5,000, thanks to a last minute surge of dead voters in New Orleans.

[jmaroneps37]

This talks to one of the problems they have: The loss of voter fraud will be a huge blow to the ratus Americanus.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

In Mexico, voters have to show an ID and a fingerprint fingerprint.

Yes, frickin' Mexico....

[leprechaun9]

Are the members of the Governor's Administration and members of the State Legislature included?

[skinkinthegrass]

..its it strange...The Vast Majority of Voter Fraud ALWAYS happens in these Demo'RATic Party-run cities...

[daybreakcoming]

You are kidding!!!!! Mexico???? Obviously they have no MCLU.

[doberville]

Cross linking SSN with voter names would be VERY effective.
So they won't.

[USS Alaska]

You are correct. I'm from PA and was a poll watcher in the last election and have written numerous letters to my state senator about voter fraud, and all I get is talk, talk talk.... no action. If only living voters, voted only one time in the 2004 election GWB would have carried PA, and probably 3 or 4 other states. I'm so angry with the pubbies for talking but not doing anything about this that I could ......

[Gondring]

The PA GOP seems to have no interest in stopping voter fraud, based on 2004 election behavior. The blue here was based on voter fraud and anger at Bush, and they had no interest in addressing either.

[Calpernia]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1352722/posts
New Jersey - Corruption and Scandal BUMP LIST

[DouglasKC]

Time to analyze the voter rolls in Wayne County, Michigan.