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What we call Islam is a mirror in which we see ourselves
Guardian UK ^ | September 15, 2005 | Timothy Garton Ash

Posted on 09/15/2005 5:02:26 AM PDT by billorites

Sitting in the capital of the Islamic Republic of Iran, with a metal arrow on the ceiling of my hotel room pointing to Mecca and the television showing a female news presenter in full hijab, I feel impelled to write about our troubles with Islam.

Four years after the September 11 2001 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, which were perpetrated in the name of Allah, most people living in what we still loosely call the west would agree that we do have troubles with Islam. The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, but most of the terrorists who threaten us claim to be Muslims. Most countries with a Muslim majority show a resistance to what Europeans and Americans generally view as desirable modernity, including the essentials of liberal democracy.

Why? What's the nub of the problem? Here are six different views often heard in the west, but also, it's important to add, in Muslim countries such as Iran. As you go down the list, you might like to put a mental tick against the view you most strongly agree with. It's logically possible to put smaller ticks against a couple of others, but not against them all.

1 The fundamental problem is not just Islam but religion itself, which is superstition, false consciousness, the abrogation of reason. In principle, Christianity or Judaism are little better, particularly in the versions embraced by the American right. The world would be a much better place if everyone understood the truths revealed by science, had confidence in human reason and embraced secular humanism. If we must have a framed image of a bearded old man on the wall, let it be a photograph of Charles Darwin. What we need is not just a secular state but a secular society.

This is a view held by many highly educated people in the post-Christian west, especially in western Europe, including some of my closest friends. If translated directly into a political prescription, it has the minor drawback of requiring that some 3 billion to 5 billion men and women abandon their fundamental beliefs. Nor has the track record of purely secular regimes over the last hundred years been altogether inspiring.

2 The fundamental problem is not religion itself, but the particular religion of Islam. Islam, unlike western Christianity, does not allow the separation of church and state, religion and politics. The fact that my Iranian newspaper gives the year as 1384 points to a larger truth. With its systematic discrimination against women, its barbaric punishments for homosexuality and its militant intolerance, Islam is stuck in the middle ages. What it needs is its Reformation.

A very widespread view. Two objections are that such a view encourages a monolithic, essentialist understanding of Islam, and tries to understand its history too much in western terms (middle ages, Reformation). If we mean by Islam "what people calling themselves Muslim actually think, say and do", there is a huge spectrum of different realities.

3 The problem is not Islam but Islamism. One of the world's great religions has been misrepresented by fanatics such as Osama bin Laden, who have twisted it into the service of a political ideology of hate. It's these ideologists and movements of political Islamism that we must combat. Working with the benign, peaceful majority of the world's Muslims, we can separate the poisonous fruit from the healthy tree.

The view promulgated by Qur'an-toting western politicians such as George Bush and Tony Blair. Well, they would say that, wouldn't they? They're not going to insult millions of Muslim voters and the foreign countries upon which the west relies for its imported oil. But do they really believe it? I have my doubts. Put them on a truth serum, and I bet they'd be closer to 2, while many atheist or agnostic European leaders would be at 1. On the other hand, this analysis is made with learning and force by distinguished specialists on the Muslim world.

4 The nub of the problem is not religion, Islam or even Islamism, but a specific history of the Arabs. Among 22 members of the Arab League, none is a home-grown democracy. (Iraq now has some elements of democracy, but hardly home-grown.) Needless to say, this is not a racist claim about Arabs but a complex argument about history, economics, political culture, society and a set of failed attempts at post-colonial modernisation.

A case can be made. There are democracies with Muslim majorities (Turkey, Mali). The political scientist Alfred Stepan has written a fascinating article suggesting that, in the democracy stakes, non-Arab Muslim countries have fared roughly as well as non-Muslim countries at a comparable level of economic development. But I'm struck by the fact that even in a traditionally anti-Arab country such as Iran, very few people think the trouble is just with Arabia.

5 We, not they, are the root of the problem. From the Crusades to Iraq, western imperialism, colonialism, Christian and post-Christian ideological hegemonism have themselves created this antipathy to western liberal democracy; and, at the extreme, its mortal enemies. Moreover, after causing (by the Holocaust of European barbarism), supporting or at least accepting the establishment of the state of Israel, we have for more than half a century ignored the terrible plight of the Palestinians.

A widespread view among Muslims, and by no means only among Arabs in the Middle East. Also shared, from a different starting point, by some on the western left. Of course, even if this simplistic version of history were entirely true, we couldn't change the past. But we can acknowledge the historical damage for which we are genuinely responsible. And we can do more to create a free Palestine next to a secure Israel.

6 Whatever your view of the relative merits of the west and Islam, the most acute tension comes at the edges where they meet. It arises, in particular, from the direct, personal encounter of young, first- or second-generation Muslim immigrants with western, and especially European, secular modernity. The most seductive system known to humankind, with its polychromatic consumer images of health, wealth, excitement, sex and power, is hugely attractive to young people from often poor, conservative, Muslim backgrounds. But, repelled by its hedonistic excesses or perhaps disappointed in their secret hopes, alienated by the reality of their marginalised lives in the west or feeling themselves rejected by it, a few - a tiny minority - embrace a fierce, extreme, warlike new version of the faith of their fathers. From Mohammed Atta and the Hamburg cell of al-Qaida, through the bombers of Madrid to those of London, this has become a depressingly familiar story.

I wish I could find some compelling evidence against this claim. But I can't. (Can some reader help?) Even if we were to assist at the birth of a free Palestine and pull out of Iraq tomorrow, this problem would remain. It threatens to make Europe a less civilised, comfortable place to live over the next 10 years.

Now, which of the six views got your largest tick? In answering that question, you will not just be saying something about the Islamic world; you will be saying something about yourself. For what we call Islam is a mirror in which we see ourselves. Tell me your Islam and I will tell you who you are.


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To: billorites

I got to bullet point one and quit. All religions EXCEPT islam promote living by the golden rule. Islam is wrong and should be purged from the face of the earth.


21 posted on 09/15/2005 6:21:37 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: billorites

Whoa, Dude! Speak for yourself. You've got some issues man!


22 posted on 09/15/2005 6:22:45 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (The liberals promised to move to Canada but they lied . . . bwaaaaah.)
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To: One Proud Dad

Your post resulted in a change of plans for the new house I'm designing. Thanks.


23 posted on 09/15/2005 6:24:37 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (The liberals promised to move to Canada but they lied . . . bwaaaaah.)
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To: billorites
1 The fundamental problem is not just Islam but religion itself, which is superstition, false consciousness, the abrogation of reason. In principle, Christianity or Judaism are little better, particularly in the versions embraced by the American right.

There are no modern countries populated by a Christian majority that support terrorists. Christian countries are for the most part more tolerant, compassionate, and helpful to other countries than their non-Christian counterparts.

The problem with Muslim countries is that Islam is an easy horse to ride to absolute power. And the powerful and corrupt are drawn to whatever horse that works in any given culture. Countries in the ME that don't have enough oil money to prop up stupid extreme ideas don't have the problems with Islam that oil rich countries have.

24 posted on 09/15/2005 6:32:21 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: reagan_fanatic

"I stopped reading right there. Another self-hating athiest throwing stones."


Strangest thing, that's the furthest I could go too. I could've sworn there were more words after that.


25 posted on 09/15/2005 6:35:00 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: N. Theknow

Didn't he (?) get banned?


26 posted on 09/15/2005 6:38:05 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Didn't he (?) get banned?

I was wondering the same thing? Has he returned under a new screen name?


27 posted on 09/15/2005 7:24:06 AM PDT by AMERIKA
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To: billorites

I find it truly amazing that idiots such as the author don't believe in any religion.....unless of course it is islam, then it is truly a sacred thing.
My hope is when the islamos start killing westerners for real, this clown is first.


28 posted on 09/15/2005 9:47:08 AM PDT by newcthem (And Atlas Shrugged.)
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To: billorites
Yet another liberal intellectual spewing his self-loathing moral equivalence BS. *sigh*
29 posted on 09/15/2005 9:49:29 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: N. Theknow

OMG!! What a flashback!!


30 posted on 09/15/2005 9:53:11 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1

My very first reply Post on FR was to Ash. Wonder if he and his arch-nemesis Don cruise by every now and then.


31 posted on 09/15/2005 10:11:36 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Be a glowworm. A glowworm's never glum. How can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum?)
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To: billorites
There are so many obvious holes in what this guy is saying, its impossible to select where to start.

I can't recall reading ANYWHERE where Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Zoroastrians or Shintos, for instance, are trying to convert anybody by force at present, or even impose their own religious beliefs on nonbelievers.

Most terrorists today are Muslims, and although most Muslims are not terrorists, there is a silent approval by most Muslims of the actions of these lunatics and an unwillingness to condemn them in the Islamic community, except under the most qualified of terms.

If such actions were being carried on today by Christians, there is little doubt the perpetrators would be roundly condemned by clergymen and told in no uncertain terms that such actions would lead to eternal damnation.

Such condemnations are not forthcoming from the Islamic religious community. On the contrary, most mullahs, etc. openly or clandestinely encourage and approve of such actions.
32 posted on 09/15/2005 10:14:03 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: billorites

islam:

Religion of death, oppression, hatred and poverty. And they want each of us in their death cult...

Find out the truth about islam at:
The Flanstein
http://flanstein.blogspot.com


33 posted on 09/15/2005 12:31:46 PM PDT by Dr. Luv (QQ)
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To: newcthem

[quote]My hope is when the islamos start killing westerners for real, this clown is first.[quote]

Yup, and he'll probably be screaming for our Western armies to save his idiotic butt.

BTW how many Jews and Christians do the "tolerent" Muslim countries have? Why is that this is almost never mentioned in the Western media?

The Muslims in Europe
France 4,500,000
Germany 3,800,000
England 3,000,000
Belgium 750,000
The Netherlands 580,000
Italy 560,000
Greece 530,000
Spain 280,000
Austria 280,000
Sweden 125,000
Denmark 85,000
Norway 48,000

The Muslims in North America
USA 7,000,000
Canada 600,000
Mexico 318,608 - and growing

Australia 301,000

FGS, CHINA has a total of 39,189,414 and 254,834 live in Japan.

BTW: South Korea that is an open democratic state has 254,834 Muslims within its borders. North Korea has 0 but they sure like selling nuclear material to the islamofacists. Jerks.

The 'tolerant' religion, my big fat foot.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=10242


34 posted on 09/15/2005 2:58:23 PM PDT by apro
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