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Minutes From June 5 Meeting Of Orleans Parish School Board: Using School Buses In Evacs
Orleans Parish Shool Board ^ | June 5 2005 | None

Posted on 09/06/2005 6:19:29 PM PDT by angkor

Found this in the Google cache, the minutes from a June 5 meeting of the Orleans Parish School Board.

The Board members had a very specific discussion about releasing school buses to the City Of New Orleans for hurricane evacuations.

Sorry for the length, but it does provide some valuable insights, e.g., what took the City so long to conclude this deal? They'd been talking with the School Board for at least a year.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:-NDJWqbkSEUJ:www.nops.k12.la.us/content/board/minutes/2005/bmin060905.pdf+%22school+buses%22+%22new+orleans+parish%22&hl=en&client=opera

Orleans Parish School Board 3510 General de Gaulle Drive New Orleans, Louisiana 70114

A Committee of the Whole Meeting of the Orleans Parish School Board was held:

Thursday – June 9, 2005

Hurricane Preparedness

Ms. Bartholomew: President Sanders indicated that he wanted this on the agenda because of the Hurricane season. Last year when schools needed to be closed, department heads were unclear because a lot of our school records are still in paper format and not in electronic format. So they didn’t know the proper procedure to follow with maintaining records. In addition, President Sanders also indicated that the City would like us to work with them. If a hurricane should come to the City in order to save the school buses, those assets, the City had asked if we would loan the school buses to be utilized for those persons in New Orleans. A lot of the citizens of New Orleans do not have transportation and have no way of evacuating from the City if a hurricane should come this way. He had been talking with Dr. Kevin Stephens from the Health Department because the Red Cross said that they would not commit to opening any shelters in the City of New Orleans if a hurricane comes this way. It would be all for naught. They wanted to utilize school buses in order to transport those persons out of the City. I believe that the City had agreed to indemnify and hold harmless the School Board if any of those persons got hurt on the buses because that was one of my concerns. But after speaking with Ms. Bowers, who had spoken with certain persons at the City as well, they indicated they would release us of any liability. He wanted the Board to be aware of what the City is doing with hurricane preparedness and I guess initiate the proceeding for the Administration to start taking steps now before we get on the door steps of a hurricane. How are we going to preserve students records? If you cannot come back to the City, the children will need those records to go into new schools in other States or other Parishes. She is here now; he can speak to it.

Mr. Sanders: I first noticed that this current policy, 3651R, a 16 page policy, looks like it was drafted in July 1989. I don’t know if it has been reviewed since 1989 but it probably could withstand review on that sake along. It has a lot of titles in here in terms of people in positions and I wonder if those same titles and positions are still operable. The larger issue is not with the records and that is a major issue. The children are even more important in terms of making sure they are safe. We know many of our children and families don’t have transportation and even though it is a City responsibility to plan for emergencies and hurricane preparedness, we need to look at working even more cooperatively or seeking a more cooperative relationship with the City on behalf of the students that we serve. I did talk with Dr. Kevin Stephens in the Health Department of the City. It is our interest to get buses and other vehicles that we may own out of the City in the event it is being evacuated. So those buses should not be empty. It was also his suggestion and call that they should be filled with families and children that may need a ride out of City and may perhaps designate certain high schools in different neighborhoods as staging grounds for families to go to should the need arise for an evacuation. The City is working on arrangements with different Civic Centers in Houma and depending on where the hurricane is coming from, where we need to go. They are making arrangements with institutions in those areas such as Baton Rouge, Mississippi, or Hammond to wait out the hurricane. I just wanted to bring that to your attention. In the last two years we had evacuations and with this season it is predicted to be another big one. With last year’s storm, Mr. Jerome Smith over in the Treme’ area said there were a lot kids who were just stuck there. They were going to break into or were willing to get in one of our schools in order to be safe. We completely understand. I informed him that a school would not have been a good place to be if a hurricane did come. Only about four or five of our schools would really withstand a category three or higher hurricane. Using our schools as shelters is really not an option. Getting out of the City is the best option. We need to find ways to facilitate that for the kids we serve. Even though it is not our primary responsibility, as such, we need to facilitate those relationships.

Mrs. Landrieu: I just wanted to remind you that if we are going to include buses, which are not part of this plan, then we need to include the personnel and communication with personnel.

Ms. Bowers: We have been meeting with City entities about the hurricane preparedness and we have talked to them about our buses. We still have not defined how many they want. They have agreed to indemnify the School Board for using the buses. They said if our bus drivers volunteer then they will make arrangements to take the families of the bus drivers and offer them secure places. They are talking about having City Officers on buses also. There is a good bit of planning that is underway. Benita Cochran and the head of transportation and the head of Security have been participating in these meetings, too. We are trying to stay on top it. This does need review. Ms. Cochran is reviewing the Facilities plan.

Mrs. Landrieu: Ms. Bowers, please also include in here fuelpreparations.

Ms. Bowers: Okay.

Mr. Sanders:Is there a committee within our school system that will revise the policy? For this month’s meeting, will we be able to have a revised policy?

Ms. Bowers: Yes.

Mrs. Anderson:I acceptably agree that human life is first but the data is important. Who do we ask? Do we ask the Superintendent to ask IT to look at the issue of preserving data and is that being looked at already?

Dr. Watson:Not to the extent that it probably should. All of our SASE and student data is within the Technology so that is safe. But some of the written documents in the schools, the older documents, need to be protected. But all grades, all enrollment, all health records are completely being taken care of by the Technology

Page 13 Committee of the Whole Meeting Minutes June 9, 2005

Department. We do have things like books and other things that would be perishable in the schools. We do our best to make them safe in the event of a hurricane. I do want to assure you that the School District has worked with the City and worked with other entities within the community over the years when we are facing a hurricane. But we have always volunteered the use of our buses to evacuate citizens.

Mrs. Cade:I know that this policy is a little out dated. As the Chair of the Policy Committee, I will be getting with my Policy Committee, so that we can go through it and update it. Even in it’s present state, I would like to request that the Administration go over with your staff. All staff personnel should become knowledgeable of what the policy and procedures are


TOPICS: US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: alvarez; blanco; buses; cary; evacuation; fahrenholtz; katrina; landrieu; marsal; nagin; nbcnews; neworleans; pajamadeen; pajamamahadeen; schoolbuses
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1 posted on 09/06/2005 6:19:31 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Gee, do you think they actually did any of that? Keeping the records safe and information safe? I don't think so. Unless some IT person ran to the school Friday night to save the records...


2 posted on 09/06/2005 6:23:06 PM PDT by madison10
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To: angkor
I thought this might be an issue. In our Florida county, the school board is a separate body from the county commissioners and neither has authority over the other. How much do you want to bet that someone from the New Orleans school dept said NO, you can't have the buses?
3 posted on 09/06/2005 6:27:47 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: madison10

Maybe.

A lot of their web sites are also down but that's as much a problem with the service providers.

Somehow I don't think they got around to preserving any records.


4 posted on 09/06/2005 6:29:20 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
It is our interest to get buses and other vehicles that we may own out of the City in the event it is being evacuated. So those buses should not be empty.

DUH

Great find!

5 posted on 09/06/2005 6:30:46 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: NonValueAdded

Someone was dragging their feet bigtime.

The comments indicate they'd been talking since "last year".

In any case Nagin did announce the City would commandeer all public transportation in his Sunday morning televised evac order.

I heard him say it with my own ears.


6 posted on 09/06/2005 6:32:16 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
New Orleans --- The Big Sleazy. They seem to take their time down in New Orleans. They've been trying for 5 years to figure out whether to privatize their Sewerage and Water System.  

BTW New Orleans has had a corrupt Sewerage and Water Board.

WWW.USDOJ.GOV: WASTEWATER TREATMENT COMPANY PLEADS GUILTY TO BRIBERY

Payoffs involved in S&WB process, feds say. Executive accused of taking kickbacks,

Makes me think Blanco didn't want the Feds to be snooping around her state, because they might find some muck on her, too.

7 posted on 09/06/2005 6:33:44 PM PDT by syriacus (Bush called, but Blanco and Nagin stalled. The result was the Great New Orleans LACK-uvation.)
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To: syriacus
They sure did take a lackadaisical attitude toward dealing with their issues, and obviously they never solved them:

Mrs. Landrieu: I just wanted to remind you that if we are going to include buses, which are not part of this plan, then we need to include the personnel and communication with personnel.

Ms. Bowers: We have been meeting with City entities about the hurricane preparedness and we have talked to them about our buses. We still have not defined how many they want. They have agreed to indemnify the School Board for using the buses. They said if our bus drivers volunteer then they will make arrangements to take the families of the bus drivers and offer them secure places. They are talking about having City Officers on buses also. There is a good bit of planning that is underway. Benita Cochran and the head of transportation and the head of Security have been participating in these meetings, too. We are trying to stay on top it. This does need review. Ms. Cochran is reviewing the Facilities plan.

Mrs. Landrieu: Ms. Bowers, please also include in here fuel preparations.

8 posted on 09/06/2005 6:42:58 PM PDT by angkor
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To: madison10
Gee, do you think they actually did any of that? Keeping the records safe and information safe? I don't think so. Unless some IT person ran to the school Friday night to save the records...

I imagine that many New Orleans and Louisiana politicians made sure their own account books "happened" to be destroyed by the flood.

I think Blanco was afraid to let the Feds take over too soon, because, if she lost control, someone might have stumbled across some evidence which would incriminate her and/or her cronies. ...Incriminating Oil-for-Food records were found in Iraq after the US troops were there.

9 posted on 09/06/2005 6:43:15 PM PDT by syriacus (Bush called, but Blanco and Nagin stalled. The result was the Great New Orleans LACK-uvation.)
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To: angkor

Bookmarked


10 posted on 09/06/2005 6:46:00 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: syriacus; madison10
I think Blanco was afraid to let the Feds take over too soon, because, if she lost control, someone might have stumbled across some evidence

I also smell a rat in her behavior. Something has not been right from the get-go.

11 posted on 09/06/2005 6:46:17 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
I see what you mean..Here are excerpts from what you just wrote

"Going to include"..."Not part of this plan"..."need to include" "meeting with" "talked to them"..."still have not defined" ..."if x, then they will make arrangements"..."talking about"..."planning that is underway"..."trying to"..."review"..."reviewing"..."please include"

12 posted on 09/06/2005 7:01:21 PM PDT by syriacus (Bush called, but Blanco and Nagin stalled. The result was the Great New Orleans LACK-vacuation.)
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To: angkor
Good catch!

BTTT

13 posted on 09/06/2005 7:08:32 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: angkor; sweetliberty; Borax Queen
.....If a hurricane should come to the City in order to save the school buses, those assets, the City had asked if we would loan the school buses to be utilized for those persons in New Orleans. A lot of the citizens of New Orleans do not have transportation and have no way of evacuating from the City if a hurricane should come this way. He had been talking with Dr. Kevin Stephens from the Health Department because the Red Cross said that they would not commit to opening any shelters in the City of New Orleans if a hurricane comes this way. It would be all for naught. They wanted to utilize school buses in order to transport those persons out of the City....

great find, angkor.

ping to you, sl and bq....minutes from a June 2005 meeting on hurricane preparedness.

14 posted on 09/06/2005 7:17:42 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Well, whaddya know about that.


15 posted on 09/06/2005 7:20:23 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: nicmarlo
Wow! (just sent email - hope it went thru)
16 posted on 09/06/2005 7:22:08 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: sweetliberty

yeah....whaddya know? Seems like they had just discussed the very scenario concerning the buses...and then did just the opposite.


17 posted on 09/06/2005 7:22:59 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Borax Queen

howdy...will go check. Ain't this something...these here minutes?


18 posted on 09/06/2005 7:23:41 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Borax Queen

non " "???? lol ...e-mail coming. : )


19 posted on 09/06/2005 7:25:30 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Dog Gone; angkor
Any chance someone in New Orleans can get prosecuted over this?

This is just incredible!

20 posted on 09/06/2005 8:36:49 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Any chance someone in New Orleans can get prosecuted over this?

In Louisiana, anything is possible. Even Democrats can be prosecuted in New Orleans if they cross the corrupt political machine and are deemed expendable.

But, I doubt anything will happen unless the Democrats come under such scrutiny that they need some scapegoats.

21 posted on 09/06/2005 8:41:55 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: angkor; Buckhead

This is epic. This is a GREAT GREAT find.


Damn them, but kudos to you for finding the smoking gun.



Buckhead would be proud.


22 posted on 09/06/2005 8:43:45 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg. Gosh I miss her!)
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To: cyborg

Over here, sweetie!


23 posted on 09/06/2005 8:48:32 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg. Gosh I miss her!)
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To: angkor; Petronski

thanks! Awesome find.


24 posted on 09/06/2005 8:49:36 PM PDT by cyborg (I'm having the best day ever.)
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To: NonValueAdded
How much do you want to bet that someone from the New Orleans school dept said NO, you can't have the buses?

If that happened, I suspect Nagin would be complaining about it to cover himself. He seems real big on passing the buck.

25 posted on 09/06/2005 8:58:27 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: Dog Gone

Well, at least Gray Davis's antics never cost anyone their lives as far as I know.......maybe I need to send an apology to him!


26 posted on 09/06/2005 9:27:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Petronski; angkor; BushCountry
That's quite amazing. Evidently, when Nagin was asked about the buses yesterday he said "No Comment." Wonder what the head of the School Board has to say. BushCountry posted an overhead photograph of maybe 50-60 dry buses on the west bank that had a completely dry route to the Superdome and could have been used for evacuation from there the whole time they were cursing and screaming about the Feds not picking them up. See post 80 in this thread. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1478896/posts. They look like yellow school buses. Here's the image:


27 posted on 09/07/2005 1:49:17 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Howlin

You just have to read this !


28 posted on 09/07/2005 1:52:37 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Buckhead
Wonder what the head of the School Board has to say.

Several Board officials actually involved in the negotiations are named in the minutes, e.g.:

"Ms. Bowers: We have been meeting with City entities about the hurricane preparedness and we have talked to them about our buses. .... Benita Cochran and the head of transportation and the head of Security have been participating in these meetings, too."

Perhaps some enterprising reporter will ask them what happened. Why the dithering?

29 posted on 09/07/2005 2:05:38 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Great find. Google or someone is busy erasing and getting rid of this link.

I tried twice to copy the section re Hurricanes and School Buses.

Each time my computer locked up on me saying the site was gone.

I couldn't find it on Yahoo Search.

Hopefully some can find on way back or whatever and post that section with the printer commands.


30 posted on 09/07/2005 8:47:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Buckhead; Paleo Conservative; Travis McGee
Thanks to Paleo Conservative for compiling this sequence of very damning photos:
31 posted on 09/07/2005 8:49:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Buckhead; Travis McGee; angkor
Travis McGee in an earlier reply to another thread has provided the coffin and wooden stake to handle the soon to be former mayor of N O's.

I hope that sooner or later the MSM discovers that New Orleans did have a written emergency plan to cover the evacuation of the poor, but that the idiot mayor of New Orleans ignored it, and allowed the evacuation buses to be ruined by the flood, forgotten.

The city leaders had at least two full days to use these hundreds of buses to evac the poor, exactly as their own emergency management plan called for.

Here's the southeast Louisiana evac plan supplement, most recently revised in 2000. Go to page 13, read paragraph 5. It states:

5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.


48 posted on 09/04/2005 9:13:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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32 posted on 09/07/2005 8:53:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Try this link, it may have been my search terms and browser type (opera) embedded in the earlier URL:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:-NDJWqbkSEUJ:www.nops.k12.la.us/content/board/minutes/2005/bmin060905.pdf

If that doesn't work I'll clean and repost. It's still there. Anyway I've saved it locally.


33 posted on 09/07/2005 9:08:16 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Grampa Dave
Here's the southeast Louisiana evac plan supplement, most recently revised in 2000. Go to page 13, read paragraph 5. It states: 5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used

This was not the understanding of the Orleans Parish School Board in their June 9 2005 meeting, and the minutes clearly show that without any ambiguity. They had come to no such agreement on the use of school buses with the City of New Orleans.

"Ms. Bowers: We have been meeting with City entities about the hurricane preparedness and we have talked to them about our buses. We still have not defined how many they want. They have agreed to indemnify the School Board for using the buses. They said if our bus drivers volunteer then they will make arrangements to take the families of the bus drivers and offer them secure places. They are talking about having City Officers on buses also. There is a good bit of planning that is underway. Benita Cochran and the head of transportation and the head of Security have been participating in these meetings, too. We are trying to stay on top it. This does need review."

34 posted on 09/07/2005 9:18:29 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

That was even worse. Something is not compatible with my SBC/Yahoo connections.

I had to old stop codes to get out of the site after it collapsed on me, reboot the computer and run some removal programs.

Thanks, but I will stay away from the site.

I'm glad that you have it saved.


35 posted on 09/07/2005 9:23:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Grampa Dave

It's a direct link to the Google cache, which is the only place it exists.

The New Orleans Public Schools web site is gone, replaced by this:

http://www.nops.k12.la.us/content/board/minutes/2005/bmin060905.pdf.


36 posted on 09/07/2005 9:51:57 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

It appears the left is monitoring what you are posting. I tried this at 10:07 am PDT, and I got the following message.

The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.




Please try the following:

If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.

Open the www.nops.k12.la.us home page, and then look for links to the information you want.
Click the Back button to try another link.
Click Search to look for information on the Internet.



HTTP 404 - File not found
Internet Explorer


37 posted on 09/07/2005 10:08:11 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: angkor

bump


38 posted on 09/08/2005 9:50:21 AM PDT by pushforbush
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To: angkor
Mrs. Landrieu: Ms. Bowers, please also include in here fuel preparations.

They even had fuel preparations for the buses that were never used.

39 posted on 09/08/2005 11:56:46 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: freeperfromnj

My read is that they were in process of negotiating with the City, and fuel is something they were to discuss in thir next meeting.


40 posted on 09/08/2005 12:00:05 PM PDT by angkor
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Flooded buses bookmark


41 posted on 09/08/2005 3:49:35 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: NonValueAdded
How much do you want to bet that someone from the New Orleans school dept said NO, you can't have the buses?

How much do you want to bet that her name is Phyllis Landrieu (Senator Landrieu's queenlike aunt)?

42 posted on 09/08/2005 6:04:08 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: angkor

It looks like Mrs. Cade dropped the ball. Who is Mrs. Cade? Do we know anything else about her other than that she is a School Board Member?


43 posted on 09/08/2005 6:13:16 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: TaxRelief
Remember, they were all effectively fired (though maybe probably kept on the payroll) in July. I've read it several times. There are several slackers named in that text.
44 posted on 09/08/2005 6:17:52 PM PDT by angkor
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To: TaxRelief
her name is Phyllis Landrieu

I've read it several times.

Phyliss Landrieu showed up late (that's in the full minutes) and then assumed complete control of the meeting. That latter part is obvious even in the excerpted text above.

Yes, it was Landrieu who effectively stonewalled the City's request to include NOPS school buses in the City evac plan.

In June of 2005, and probably at every turn in previous years.

45 posted on 09/08/2005 6:23:20 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Buckhead
New Orleans Public Schools has admitted that they put their employees ahead of the citizens of New Orleans.
46 posted on 09/08/2005 6:26:09 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: angkor

So in July, Alvarez and Marsal came in to manage the business end of school system and the OP Board Members essentially abandoned their posts with many tasks left undone. Was this a very expensive temper tantrum?


47 posted on 09/08/2005 6:30:31 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: TaxRelief

Found some information that peaked my interest and thought I'd register and share.

Tony Amato used to be the New Orleans Superintendent. He resigned mid-April 2005. His last day was June 30th. This would mean he was still Superintendent during the time when this board meeting in question occurred. Anyways, lots of problems are going on in the school system - especially money - huge lack of money. Probably why they got that mangement company to take over. They barely made payroll sometimes.

Amato was apparantly liked publically but not so much by the board who tried to get him out months ago unsuccessfully. Eventually they were able to get him out - mostly due to financial issues it appears. But maybe there was a 'straw that broke the camels back'? If so, I think it was Hurricane Ivan. An internal investigation revealed that Amato had utilized school resources to board up his house before Hurricane Ivan and then asked people to lie about it.

So, what effect - if any - did these events have on the school board when they were discussing the plan to utilize school resources for evacutiing residents? Hmm....

Here are a few articles - I'm sure there are more.

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2005-04-19/politics.html

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-3/111337354323370.xml


48 posted on 09/08/2005 10:30:17 PM PDT by MNWord
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To: MNWord; angkor

Keep digging! We may need to right a screen play with all the stuff we're pulling up!


49 posted on 09/09/2005 6:30:47 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: MNWord
So, what effect - if any - did these events have on the school board when they were discussing the plan to utilize school resources for evacutiing residents? Hmm....

If you read the full text of the minutes (not the hurricane planning excerpt I posted above), you'll see one of the first questions is whether they could get the Superintendent to attend the meetings.

Since you say he resigned in April and left June 30, it's logical to conclude that he'd stopped attending meetings at some point, but was still being paid.

But even in the excerpt of the minutes it's clear that Phyllis Landrieu was running the show.

50 posted on 09/09/2005 6:50:19 AM PDT by angkor
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