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Some Can't Evacuate New Orleans for Ivan (2004 Flashback)
2004 | By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 09/04/2005 1:38:07 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross

Some Can't Evacuate New Orleans for Ivan By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS - Fleeing to safety was not an option for some people as 140-mph Hurricane Ivan churned toward the Gulf Coast, threatening to submerge the below-sea-level city in what could be the most disastrous storm to hit in nearly 40 years.

Latonya Hill, who waited out the dangerous storm sitting on her stoop Tuesday, said the official pleas for residents to pack up and leave meant little to her.

"Got no place to go and no way to get there," said the 57-year-old grandmother, who lives on a disability check and money she picks up cleaning houses or baby sitting.

"They say evacuate, but they don't say how I'm supposed to do that," Hill said. "If I can't walk it or get there on the bus, I don't go. I don't got a car. My daughter don't either."

Hill is among the estimated 100,000 people in New Orleans who rely on city transportation to get around, making evacuation impossible for them. Yet, no shelters were open in the city as of Tuesday night and there were no plans to open any.

The city was working on setting up a shelter of "last resort," Mayor Ray Nagin said. No shelters had been set up yet because of concerns about flooding and capacity, Nagin added.

At 5 a.m. EDT Wednesday, Ivan was centered about 220 miles south-southeast of the mouth of the Mississippi River and moving north-northwest at 12 mph. Forecasters said Ivan could bring a coastal storm surge of 10 to 16 feet, topped by large, battering waves.

More than 1.2 million people in metropolitan New Orleans were warned to get out as Ivan approached, and those who could streamed inland in bumper-to-bumper traffic in an agonizingly slow exodus, spurred by dire warnings that the hurricane could overwhelm New Orleans with up to 20 feet of water.

Forecasters said Ivan, which killed at least 68 people in the Caribbean, could reach 160 mph and strengthen to a dangerous Category 5 by the time it blows ashore as early as Thursday somewhere along the Gulf Coast.

New Orleans, the nation's largest city below sea level, is particularly vulnerable to flooding, and Nagin was among the first to urge residents to get out while they can. The city's Louis Armstrong Airport was ordered closed Tuesday night.

Up to 10 feet below sea level in spots, New Orleans sits between the nearly half-mile-wide Mississippi River and Rhode Island-size Lake Pontchartrain, relying on a system of levees, canals and huge pumps to keep dry.

Experts said Ivan could.., sending water pouring over the levees, flooding to the rooftops and turning streets into a toxic brew of raw sewage, gas and chemicals from nearby refineries.

The mayor said that he would "aggressively recommend" that people evacuate, but that it would difficult to order those who rely on public transportation to do so, since they would have no way to leave.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...id=519&ncid=716

Direct hit by Ivan could spell doom for New Orleans Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle News Services

NEW ORLEANS - More than 1.2 million people in metropolitan New Orleans were warned to get out Tuesday as 140-mph Hurricane Ivan churned toward the Gulf Coast, threatening to submerge the below-sea-level city during what could be the most disastrous storm to hit in nearly 40 years.

Residents streamed inland in bumper-to-bumper traffic in an agonizingly slow exodus amid dire warnings that Ivan could overwhelm New Orleans with up to 20 feet of filthy, chemical-polluted water. About three-quarters of a million more people along the coast in Florida, Mississippi and Alabama also were told to evacuate.

Walter Maestri, an emergency manager in New Orleans, America's most vulnerable metropolitan area, has 10,000 body bags ready in case a major hurricane hits. As Hurricane Ivan's expected path shifted uncomfortably close to the low-lying urban soup bowl, Maestri said Tuesday he might need a lot more.

If a strong Category 4 storm such as Ivan made a direct hit, he warned, 50,000 people could drown, and the city could cease to exist.

"This could be The One," Maestri said. "You're talking about the potential loss of a major metropolitan area."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2796077


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bus; buses; cary; hurricaneivan; katrina; katrinafaliure; katrinafaliures
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Please note that Mayor Ray Nagin had a trial run on how to evacute the poor from his inner city during a hurricane last year and still paid no heed to the warnings. They expected 50,000 people to die from a cat 4 in 2004. Thank God President Bush acted so quickly to declare a State of Emergency two days previous to Katrina- so the state and local authorities could implement their emergency plans for disater and evacuation.

Little did anyone know - there were few plans and no new plans in the city of New Orleans. Please see this website for discussion on the lack of use of public transportation to evacuate the poor from NO in 2004:

New Orleans - Leave the Poor to Drown if Ivan Strikes

1 posted on 09/04/2005 1:38:08 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Why didn't you post the date of the article??? Pls get Admin MOd to correct.


2 posted on 09/04/2005 1:40:09 PM PDT by paulat
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To: paulat; Admin Moderator
I thought I had- my mistake. Please add 2004 to the title.
3 posted on 09/04/2005 1:42:31 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (code pinks stinks)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

There must be some reason he chose the "shelter of last resort" over city transportation. Bus them to where? On the other hand, what was he thinking -- what would become of the "shelter of last resort" if the flooding, which was pretty much a foregone conclusion in a storm over Cat 4, were to come? Yet this is exactly the eventuality that there was apperently no conticency for.


4 posted on 09/04/2005 1:43:24 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (we don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Well, I don't care, it's STILL President Bush's fault. What did he know, and when did he know it? He doesn't care about people of color and the poor. (Of course, I'm being sarcastic!)

This needs to be brought up again and again. There is no excuse for not having an evacuation plan in place.


5 posted on 09/04/2005 1:43:54 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (As long as Dean's the head of the D-N-C, it just looks better for the G-O-P!!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Good article, Diva. Thanks for the date correct! Says a lot, doesn't it....


6 posted on 09/04/2005 1:44:52 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Theresawithanh
According to the website I linked to some of the resident of NO thought the mayor was lighting the poor people --- and that was way back in 2004.

SO, what did the mayor know- and when did he know it?

7 posted on 09/04/2005 1:45:44 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (code pinks stinks)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Excellent find, my friend. Excellent.

Dems/Libs/Socialists just don't learn, do they?? Good LORD do we see evidence of that constantly.......this time, with deadly results.


8 posted on 09/04/2005 1:45:47 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Done, thanks. Good find.


9 posted on 09/04/2005 1:45:53 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; A. Pole
Well if driving is a privilege, at least drowning is a right.
10 posted on 09/04/2005 1:46:26 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: RightOnline

Thanks sir. BTW- I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore. Have a nice day ;]


11 posted on 09/04/2005 1:47:20 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (code pinks stinks)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Do you have a better date than 2004, like day and month. I would like to send this on to the moonbats, err I mean those that are yelling it is all the fault of the Bush vacation. They will want dates to check it out. Thank you.
12 posted on 09/04/2005 1:47:39 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

The real scandal that is developing here is this: It is apparent that NOLA does not deploy evacuation transportation to it's citizens BEFORE a hurricane hits. They deploy AFTER a hurricane hits. They want to save the buses. This is about money, and it has cost human lives.

Can anyone find a record showing NOLA has deployed evac transportation BEFORE any previous hurricanes have hit?


13 posted on 09/04/2005 1:48:03 PM PDT by RTINSC
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Poor, Black, and Left Behind

http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/09/09_414.html

September 24, 2004

This article has plenty of ammo to use against those blaming Bush re Katrina ..... Seems as though Ivan was a dry run for the incompetent leaders of Lousiana, so they could botch it big time for Katrina.

I tried to post this as a separate thread but the mods pulled it.

14 posted on 09/04/2005 1:48:14 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

The self serving dems ride again....killing the poor people in N.O. It appears the Klan reigns in all of them, no matter what color they are.


15 posted on 09/04/2005 1:48:58 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; All
Poor, Black, and Left Behind

http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/09/09_414.html

September 24, 2004

This article has plenty of ammo to use against those blaming Bush re Katrina ..... Seems as though Ivan was a dry run for the incompetent leaders of Lousiana, so they could botch it big time for Katrina.

I tried to post this as a separate thread but the mods pulled it.

16 posted on 09/04/2005 1:49:48 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: All
Sorry about all of the typos... I have got to get this 3 year old off my typing arm-because I can not concentrate.

Carry on good freeps.

17 posted on 09/04/2005 1:50:08 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (code pinks stinks)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I think Mayor Nagin was reluctant to open any shelter or even officially call any place a shelter because he knew it might be construed as an endorsement that the place was safe enough to withstand a hurricane. Obviously, if your city is below sea level, no place is guaranteed safe in a hurricane. That's why "last resort" gets thrown in.

OTOH, I'm mystified then as now why hundreds of school buses you already have are not good enough to evacuate before the storm but you call for buses to be imported after the storm to take away evacuees. That's nonsense.


18 posted on 09/04/2005 1:52:16 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (RIP New Orleans 1718-2005)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

"Sorry. The administrator has banned your IP address. To contact the administrator click here..."

That's the message displayed when I click on your link. What gives?


19 posted on 09/04/2005 1:53:35 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Tall_Texan

Nagin after the hurricane:

I need 500 bu..errr..hmmmm...500 MORE buses


20 posted on 09/04/2005 1:54:15 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Honest officer, I wasn't speeding.....I was qualifying)
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