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New Orleans Flooding May Last for Days
ap ^ | 8.30.05 | JEFF DONN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 08/30/2005 4:35:54 PM PDT by Flavius

New Orleans is apt to stay awash for days under oily, filthy water infested with mosquitoes, even if failed levees can be fixed quickly, according to experts assessing the flooding left by Hurricane Katrina. ADVERTISEMENT

An initial sense of relief that the city escaped the storm's worst dissolved Tuesday, as an estimated 80 percent of the 180-square-mile city gradually turned into an urban swamp.

"While everyone knew this could happen, I don't think anyone was really prepared for it," said oceanographer Paul Kemp, at Louisiana State University's Hurricane Center. "There are some disasters beyond comprehension, and I think this is one of them."

Murky water, laced with junk and pollutants, coursed through the city, including many downtown streets. Residents and rescuers came across floating bodies, though the city's death toll was still unknown late Tuesday.

Flooding specialists predicted that conditions could worsen as authorities focused first on saving people trapped in buildings.

Some flood-control pumps were broken, choked by excess water or storm debris. Others were lacking power needed to run. Roofs were reported collapsed on at least two major pumping stations. Without the pumps, much of the flood water will have nowhere to drain in this city cradled within a bowl, at an average of six feet below sea level.

In a frustrating catch-22, it will be hard to fix the pumps and restore their power while they are under water, but it's hard to drain the water without the pumps, the flood experts warned.

"It's going to be days before they get all that water out," said marine scientist Ivor van Heerden, also of LSU, who developed flooding models for the city. He was out with a boat inspecting water levels Tuesday.

When the hurricane's eye veered away from the city Monday morning, the fiercest winds and storm surge bashed into the coast east of New Orleans. Though some neighborhoods flooded, most of the city was spared severe flooding in the immediate aftermath. By early Tuesday, however, waters were creeping into large parts of the mostly evacuated city, which is normally home to about 484,000 people.

This flood water apparently came from at least two levee breaks — at the Industrial Canal and the 17th Street Canal, according to the LSU specialists.

Helicopters were dumping 3,000-pound sandbags onto the levees, beginning the task of trying to plug them.

The experts warned of potential dangers ahead. Louisiana's frequent summer rains — or even another hurricane — could add to flooding in coming days or weeks, they said. The sitting water could collect more contaminants from homes and industries, and mosquitoes could amplify the danger of disease.

"Because it doesn't drain, there's a chance for things to concentrate," said Marc Levitan, another flooding expert at LSU.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: flood; hurricanekatrina; neworleans
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1 posted on 08/30/2005 4:35:54 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius
Try weeks. Or Months.

The rains falling in the Ohio & Tennessee river valleys all wind up in the Mississippi River...
2 posted on 08/30/2005 4:37:32 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals...they're so quixotic...)
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To: Flavius
Rebuilding New Orleans should be driven by logic rather than emotional affinity.
3 posted on 08/30/2005 4:39:24 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: Flavius

If the tropical storm dumps rain along the Mississippi while it travels north, the flooding may continue longer. It is my impression that TN and KY are going to be deluged. That water goes somewhere.


4 posted on 08/30/2005 4:42:25 PM PDT by bluesagewoman
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To: Flavius
Help me out folks...

But weren't MANY towns along the MS relocated to higher ground, after the 1993 floods?

I think New Orleanians should consider that prospect.

Rebuilding in the bowl would be the height of stupidity and hubris.

5 posted on 08/30/2005 4:42:46 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: Keith in Iowa

Roger that ~ it'll be a long, slow process!


6 posted on 08/30/2005 4:42:53 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Keith in Iowa
The flood waters that may come down the Mississippi can be channeled away from new orleans by opening the gates to the achafalaya flood basin. Problem there is that that move will just send the flood waters to Lake Charles.

A more pressing problem is what they do with the "toxic Mix" -- if they get the pumps working and just pump the water out of N.O. they will be compounding the environmental disaster 100 fold. All of the now disease ridden, polluted water will enter Lake Ponchartrain and the Mississippi and make its way down to the gulf.

The Mississippi delta will be poisoned for years to come.

NOw once they figure out how to get the water out , how to clean it, and where to send it -- you will be left with a LOVE CANAL toxic site where the City of New orleans used to sit.

7 posted on 08/30/2005 4:50:06 PM PDT by commish ((Montgomery, AL) Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: bikepacker67
Yup, after spending A few hundred Billion dollars whats the guarantee that it doesn't take another hit next year ???
I think ya put emotions aside and crank up the bulldozers
8 posted on 08/30/2005 4:51:43 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: bikepacker67

Look at the map. Where else would you suggest?


9 posted on 08/30/2005 4:53:21 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Robe

There are no guanantees, and after all, this is NOT a Venice, which has long since seen its days of glory. Its a major petrocenter. But hard thinking needs to be done.


10 posted on 08/30/2005 4:55:43 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Flavius

If N.O. comes back it should be rebuilt as another Venice. Only an idiot would build in a swamp.


11 posted on 08/30/2005 4:56:01 PM PDT by ArtyFO
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To: bikepacker67
Perhaps they should do like Chicago did in the mid 19th century - raise the city!

The grade level of Chicago used to be many feet lower.
see City Streets: How Chicago Raised Itself Out of the Mud and Astonished the World

12 posted on 08/30/2005 4:57:28 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: bikepacker67

I think it would be a good idea to rebuild, but what about what's left of the historical sites?


13 posted on 08/30/2005 5:04:01 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Flavius
"Days"? I doubt it. "Weeks" will be more like it.

Click here to see a NOVA episode (from January) on what N.O. faces - everybody new it could happen.
They're in a bowl, and the walls that kept the water OUT will now work to keep it IN.

14 posted on 08/30/2005 5:09:39 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Flavius

I'm no engineer, but once the water is in and stays there for several weeks/months, will the soil of N.O. remain useful for reconstruction? Or will it be so saturated and covered with silt that N.O. has to be filled-in or written off?


15 posted on 08/30/2005 5:18:42 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: RobbyS
Look at the map. Where else would you suggest?

Any place on higher ground.
This was a disaster waiting to happern.
Rebuilding below sea level is just nuts.

16 posted on 08/30/2005 5:19:01 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Flavius
In a frustrating catch-22, it will be hard to fix the pumps and restore their power while they are under water, but it's hard to drain the water without the pumps, the flood experts warned.

And why the hell weren't these pumps on backup power to start with

Mayor didn't think they would lose power ?
17 posted on 08/30/2005 5:20:01 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Jorge
Rebuilding below sea level is just nuts.

Building it there to begin with was
18 posted on 08/30/2005 5:20:53 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: bikepacker67
They could also build elevated homes. Some in our area are 20 feet to the first floor. The bottom floor is breakout, no permanent structure. Made out of reinforced Concrete block.

A simple way to do it is to adopt the Miami-Dade Building codes that went in after Andrew -- and enforce them. Then require FEMA minimum elevations for flood plains. That should put most rebuilt homes out of reach, but the floods may still come.
19 posted on 08/30/2005 5:28:12 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Keith in Iowa
The rains falling in the Ohio & Tennessee river valleys all wind up in the Mississippi River...

Actually, if the levees on the Mississippi River, which 10 higher than the lake levees that have broken, break, it's goodbye New Orleans for good.

20 posted on 08/30/2005 5:29:22 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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