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2 Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court (Judicial Tyranny IV)
N Y TIMES ^ | AUGUST 19, 2005 | ANDREW POLLACK

Posted on 08/19/2005 2:19:28 PM PDT by radar101

A few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.

Now, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.

The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.

"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.

Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."

Mr. Mancía, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said.

Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva were caught on a ranch in Hebbronville, Tex., in March 2003 by Mr. Nethercott and other members of Ranch Rescue. The two immigrants later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. Mancía with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied. The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; litigation; propertyrights; seizure
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1 posted on 08/19/2005 2:19:29 PM PDT by radar101
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To: AnOldCowhand

Thread restarted over here....


2 posted on 08/19/2005 2:20:42 PM PDT by The SISU kid (Politicians are like Slinkies. Good for nothing. But you smile when you push them down the stairs)
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To: radar101

This just boggles my mind. Thanks for posting it; I saw it on AZCentral, which doesn't allow us to even link to them.


3 posted on 08/19/2005 2:21:02 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: radar101

This is what zero tolerance policies and shifting burden of proof on male US citizen have brought us.

They do the same thing in Domestic Violence against women. Just a complaint gets you screwed.


4 posted on 08/19/2005 2:21:59 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: radar101

Is this true? Pinch me, is this still America?


5 posted on 08/19/2005 2:22:45 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: The SISU kid

This is a joke.......right??


6 posted on 08/19/2005 2:22:53 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: radar101

What kind of jury decided this case? How can this kind of thing possibly be justified? There has GOT to be something else to this, it just doesn't make any sense.


7 posted on 08/19/2005 2:23:05 PM PDT by T.Smith
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To: radar101

Can anyone explain to me why Nethercutt didn't respond to the lawsuit? Someone told me that he lost because he failed to respond and the judge had no choice but the award the plaintiff. Is this true?
susie


8 posted on 08/19/2005 2:23:32 PM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: radar101

When the stupid judge gets hanged by Aztlan for his loyal services, I'm not going to help him out.

The illegals came in the first place to destroy knowing the people, and they will keep meaning that until they got everything including the Judge's own daughters and what not.


10 posted on 08/19/2005 2:24:35 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: caisson71
This is a joke.......right??

Apparently not....

This thread Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight has been locked by LeadModerator....

11 posted on 08/19/2005 2:26:00 PM PDT by The SISU kid (Politicians are like Slinkies. Good for nothing. But you smile when you push them down the stairs)
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To: radar101

This has got to be a joke.


12 posted on 08/19/2005 2:26:43 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: radar101

Simply stunning.

Our once great republic is in its death throes and our one major political party, the Republicrats, offer nothing but rhetoric and no action.

Such a shame. I would have loved to have had the opportunity to live in a free country where personal property, and the protection thereof, is respected.

BTW, notice how the term "illegal immigrants" is slowly being replaced in America by the term "undocumented workers".


13 posted on 08/19/2005 2:27:32 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: The SISU kid

Y'all play nice. The last thread got locked. We've already had at least 1 post pulled from this thread.


14 posted on 08/19/2005 2:27:44 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Large buttocks are pleasing to me, nor am I able to lie concerning this matter)
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To: radar101

Thank you GWB and the OBL jackasses.


15 posted on 08/19/2005 2:28:07 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think you're having a bad day, try crucifixtion.)
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To: brytlea
The article only says - "Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva also filed a lawsuit against Mr. Nethercott; Jack Foote, the founder of Ranch Rescue; and the owner of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe Sutton. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress. Mr. Sutton settled for $100,000. Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote did not defend themselves, so the judge issued default judgments of $850,000 against Mr. Nethercott and $500,000 against Mr. Foote. Mr. Dees said Mr. Foote appeared to have no substantial assets, but Mr. Nethercott had the ranch. Shortly after the judgment, Mr. Nethercott gave the land to his sister, Robin Albitz, of Prescott, Ariz. The Southern Poverty Law Center sued the siblings, saying the transfer was fraudulent and was meant to avoid the judgment. "
16 posted on 08/19/2005 2:28:42 PM PDT by LM_Guy
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To: radar101
What makes you think this is a joke?

Hey the frigging lawyers can do any damn thing they want and you have no recourse, Bend over and enjoy it.

17 posted on 08/19/2005 2:29:21 PM PDT by dts32041 (Shinkichi: Massuer, did you see that? Zatôichi: I don't see much)
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To: radar101

It's the judges or the jury here that needs some justice meated out!


18 posted on 08/19/2005 2:29:38 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: JudgemAll

You are SO RIGHT about DV. It can end a career, and put a guy in jail for a FELONY.


19 posted on 08/19/2005 2:30:10 PM PDT by radar101
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To: Warren_Piece

Yeah, I guess if we get too frisky we gotta get scolded a bit. Speaking as one who got pulled on the last thread(and deserved it.)


20 posted on 08/19/2005 2:30:17 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think you're having a bad day, try crucifixtion.)
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