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Less we forget... "THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION"
Listening to Newswatch by David J. Smith ^
| Feb. 29, 1892
| Opinion of the Supreme Court. (Justice David Josiah Brewer)
Posted on 08/17/2005 9:24:02 PM PDT by Yosemitest
"These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation."
One of the best examples that I've read is from Dorothy Anne (Dottie) Seese's America Was A Christian Nation and then came the liberals and you can click on the link and read it yourself. Let no one deceive you ...
This same Mr. Justice David Josiah Brewer is the one who wrote for the Court, in the 1892 Holy Trinity Church vs. U.S. case:
[T]he churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing everywhere under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. (Emphasis added.)
I just hope this adds strenght to the conservative cause.
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Ya'll use this as best you can... and God Bless...
Comment #2 Removed by Moderator
To: Voce
Absolutely, as long as you abide our laws.
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posted on
08/17/2005 9:42:20 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die)
To: Voce
Heck yeah. You just got here, so stick around and you might learn something.
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posted on
08/17/2005 9:43:19 PM PDT
by
Homer_J_Simpson
(My brain maybe tiny but it is quite accurate.)
To: Voce
You joined to post this response? Hmmmm . . . . Welcome to Free Republic
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posted on
08/17/2005 9:43:29 PM PDT
by
BipolarBob
(Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
To: Voce; Admin Moderator
America? Yes. Free Republic? Only the mods know.
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posted on
08/17/2005 9:45:24 PM PDT
by
Rastus
(How come you're so wrong, my sweet DemonRAT?)
To: Yosemitest
that'd be LEST
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posted on
08/17/2005 9:48:15 PM PDT
by
King Prout
(and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
To: King Prout
I guess I'm reading the Bible alot... Forgive my spelling.
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posted on
08/17/2005 9:49:34 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die)
To: Yosemitest
Wonderful....
Even the constitution of the United States, which is supposed to have little touch upon the private life of the individual, contains in the first amendment a declaration common to the constitutions of all the states, as follows: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," etc., - and also provides in article 1, § 7, (a provision common to many constitutions,) that the executive shall have 10 days (Sundays excepted) within which to determine whether he will approve or veto a bill.
There is no dissonance in these declarations. There is a universal language pervading them all, having one meaning. They affirm and reaffirm that this is a religious nation. These are not individual sayings, declarations of private persons. They are organic utterances. They speak the voice of the entire people. While because of a general recognition of this truth the question has seldom been presented to the courts, yet we find that in Updegraph v. Comm., 11 Serg. & R. 394, 400, it was decided that, "Christianity, general Christianity, is, and always has been, a part of the common law of Pennsylvania; * * * not Christianity with an established church and tithes and spiritual courts, but Christianity with liberty of conscience to all men." And in People v. Ruggles, 8 Johns. 290, 294, 295, Chancellor KENT, the great commentator on American law, speaking as chief justice of the supreme court of New York, said: "The people of this state, in common with the people of this country, profess the general doctrines of Christianity as the rule of their faith and practice; and to scandalize the author of those doctrines in not only, in a religious point of view, extremely impious, but, even in respect to the obligations due to society, is a gross violation of decency and good order. * * * The free, equal, and undisturbed enjoyment of religious opinion, whatever it may be, and free and decent discussions on any religious [143 U.S. 457, 471] subject, is granted and secured; but to revile, with malicious and blasphemous contempt, the religion professed by almost the whole community is an abuse of that right. Nor are we bound by any expressions in the constitution, as some have strangely supposed, either not to punish at all, or to punish indiscriminately the like attacks upon the religion of Mahomet or of the Grand Lama; and for this plain reason that the case assumes that we are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply ingrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of those impostors." And in the famous case of Vidal v. Girard's Ex'rs, 2 How. 127, 198, this court, while sustaining the will of Mr. Girard, with its provisions for the creation of a college into which no minister should be permitted to enter, observed: "it is also said, and truly, that the Christian religion is a part of the common law of Pennsylvania."
If we pass beyond these matters to a view of American life, as expressed by its laws, its business, its customs, and its society, we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth. Among other matters note the following: The form of oath universally prevailing, concluding with an appeal to the Almighty; the custom of opening sessions of all deliberative bodies and most conventions with prayer; the prefatory words of all wills, "In the name of God, amen;" the laws respecting the observance of the Sabbath, with the general cessation of all secular business, and the closing of courts, legislatures, and other similar public assemblies on that day; the churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing everywhere under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. In the face of all these, shall it be believed that a congress of the United States intended to make it a misdemeanor for a church of this country to contract for the services of a Christian minister residing in another nation?
http://members.aol.com/TestOath/HolyTrinityOp1-2.htm
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posted on
08/17/2005 11:00:38 PM PDT
by
DaveTesla
(You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
To: BipolarBob
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posted on
08/17/2005 11:02:30 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: Dead Corpse
ping
Freedom of religion and all of that.
To: Voce
BipolarBob wrote to newcomer VOCE: "You joined to post this response? Hmmmm . . . . Welcome to Free Republic " Already, with the ad hominem.
Welcome to the very hypocritical forum which preaches much but practices -- faith-based intolerance.
Shalom, bro !
ps: vat kind of name is voce, heh?
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posted on
08/18/2005 12:34:28 AM PDT
by
dadokane
(Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts. HATE OK.)
To: Yosemitest
This was a Christian nation, perhaps. Not anymore.
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posted on
08/18/2005 12:35:52 AM PDT
by
MarMema
To: Yosemitest
Uh oh, better watch it or the Jews will jump all over you for making accurate statements like this one.
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posted on
08/18/2005 3:59:42 AM PDT
by
Joe Boucher
(an enemy of islam)
To: Yosemitest
Unconfirmed Quotations3. Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian. --Holy Trinity v. U. S. (Supreme Court) (inaccurate)
This appears to be a classic example of a cut-and-paste typographical error. These words are not found in the Holy Trinity case.
-Eric
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posted on
08/18/2005 5:07:28 AM PDT
by
E Rocc
(Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
To: dadokane
BipolarBob wrote to newcomer VOCE: "You joined to post this response? Hmmmm . . . . Welcome to Free Republic " Already, with the ad hominem. Welcome to the very hypocritical forum which preaches much but practices -- faith-based intolerance.
I hope that I am tolerant of ones religion or lack of one. However trolls sign up every day to post controversial articles and statements to stir up trouble. I admit I was suspicious. Is that bad?
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posted on
08/18/2005 5:16:25 AM PDT
by
BipolarBob
(Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: E Rocc
I scanned "Wallbuilders" and I'm not familiar with them. My sources are linked in the start of the article, and I stand on those resources.
We are a Christian nation, even if we're slipping. We fight a spiritual war today and more people need to realize this before Christ returns.
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posted on
08/18/2005 8:01:58 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die)
To: jmellis45
The argument revolves around our true history, and some people just can't stand the thought of ...having to answer to a God. They consider themselves their own god, (Satan's lie).
This country has a history and its Christian/Judean.
Not for legal matters, but for wisdom ...consider this link: EUROPE and AMERICA in Prophecy . It's worth your time.
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posted on
08/18/2005 8:15:11 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die)
To: DaveTesla
Does anyone out there have a reference for the Supreme Court ruling in the late 40's or early 50's where the ruling "defined" Secular Humanism a religion?
I first read about it in a monograph critical of the ACLU. I then bounced into a guy about two years ago that quoted year of the ruling from memory. I don't remember his name so I cannot get back with him.
Any researchers out there got it?
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