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Islam Dominates Iraq's Draft Constitution
yahoo/ap ^ | July 27 05 | yahoo/ap

Posted on 07/27/2005 1:03:11 PM PDT by churchillbuff

Framers of Iraq's constitution will designate Islam as the main source of legislation — a departure from the model set down by U.S. authorities during the occupation — according to a draft published Tuesday.

The draft states no law will be approved that contradicts "the rules of Islam" — a requirement that could affect women's rights and set Iraq on a course far different from the one envisioned when U.S.-led forces invaded in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein.

"Islam is the official religion of the state and is the main source of legislation," reads the draft published in the government newspaper Al-Sabah. "No law that contradicts with its rules can be promulgated."

The document also grants the Shiite religious leadership in Najaf a "guiding role" in recognition of its "high national and religious symbolism."

Al-Sabah noted, however, that there were unspecified differences among the committee on the Najaf portion. Those would presumably include Kurds, Sunni Arabs and secular Shiites on the 71-member committee.

During the U.S.-run occupation, which ended June 28, 2004, key Shiite and some Sunni politicians sought to have Islam designated the main source of legislation in the interim constitution, which took effect in March 2004.

However, the U.S. governor of Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, blocked the move, agreeing only that Islam would be considered "a source" — but not the only one. At the time, prominent Shiite politicians agreed to forego a public battle with Bremer and pursue the issue during the drafting of the permanent constitution.

Some women's groups fear strict interpretation of Islamic principles could erode their rights in such areas as divorce and inheritance. It could also move Iraq toward a more religiously based society than was envisioned by U.S. planners who hoped it would be a beacon of Western-style democracy in a region of one-party rule and theocratic regimes.

Members of the constitutional committee said the draft was among several and none would be final until parliament approves the charter by Aug. 15.

The drafting committee met Tuesday to discuss federalism, one of the most contentious issues, according to Sunni Arab member Mohammed Abed-Rabbou. He described the discussion as "heated" and said no agreement was reached.

Parliament speaker Hajim al-Hassani, a Sunni Arab, urged Iraqi media to refrain from publishing supposed texts unless they are released by the constitutional committee.

Sunni Arabs involved in writing the charter have complained that Shiites and Kurds are trying to steamroll their version of the draft without proper consultation and discussion.

The Sunnis agreed only Monday to resume work on the committee after they walked out to protest the assassination of two colleagues this month.

"It's very important that the constitution is produced through the participation of all Iraqis," U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad told reporters Tuesday. "This is important for ending and defeating the insurgency, for having a political compact and I want to say to the Arab Sunni community that they can count on us for such a compact."

Sunni Arab support is crucial because the charter can be scuttled if voters in three of Iraq's 18 provinces reject it by a two-thirds majority — and Sunni Arabs are a majority in four provinces. Sunni Arabs make up about 20 percent of Iraq's 27 million people but dominate areas where the insurgency is raging.

U.S. officials are eager for the Iraqis to meet the Aug. 15 deadline as a major step in building a stable constitutional government, considered key to pacifying the Sunni insurgency and enabling the U.S. and its partners to begin drawing down troop strength.

If the deadline is met, voters will decide whether to approve the charter in mid-October and if they do, another general election will take place in December.

In an Internet statement Tuesday, al-Qaida's wing in Iraq warned Iraqis not to take part in the constitutional referendum, saying democracy goes against God's law and anyone who participates would be considered an "infidel," and earmarked for death.

According to Al-Sabah, the draft constitution would declare Iraq a sovereign state with "a republican democratic federal system." However, the word "federal" appears in brackets, indicating opposition among the committee.

Sunni Arabs are suspicious that federalism, a prime goal of the Kurds, would lead to the disintegration of Iraq.

In other developments:

_Gunmen fired on two buses carrying workers home from a government-owned company on the western edge of Baghdad, killing 16 and wounding 27, police and a company official said.

_Two gunmen in a speeding car assassinated a top aide to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, police said in Baqouba, a city northeast of Baghdad.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: chamberlainbuff; dumbideas; iraq; iraqiconstitution; islam; muslim; nationbuilding; neville; sharia; troll
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To: jmc1969
Some of the people here are forgetting what a democracy means, it means that the people of that country get to chose their government. """

And if they chose politicians who say they want to make war on Israel or the US, that's ok? Sorry, but I don't see why it was worth 2000 US military lives to give Iraqis the right to establish an Islamic government. That may be nice for them in some sense, but it's not the kind of vital US interest that the military - and military - lives are supposed to be used for.

41 posted on 07/27/2005 1:27:12 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
you can lead a horse to water
but you cannot make him drink
you can lead a man to knowledge
but you cannot make him think

you can liberate a nation
set men and women free
but you cannot liberate the minds
from religious slavery
42 posted on 07/27/2005 1:28:51 PM PDT by CzarChasm (My opinion. No charge.)
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To: CzarChasm
you can liberate a nation set men and women free but you cannot liberate the minds from religious slavery """

Very true. Another reason why I didn't support this invasion.

44 posted on 07/27/2005 1:29:53 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: jmc1969
"Some of the people here are forgetting what a democracy means, it means that the people of that country get to chose their government."

Something well worth repeating. It was never our aim to impose our own Constitution or religious beliefs (which in America includes Islam) on them, only to give them the ability to freely determine their own government.

45 posted on 07/27/2005 1:31:19 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff
I wonder how less brutal the new regime will ultimately be, especially to women and to Christians.

Nostalgic for the rape rooms, are we?

46 posted on 07/27/2005 1:32:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: churchillbuff

I disagree. With muslims, government must be forced upon them, wether secular OR theocratic. This is due to the teachings of Islam, not the workings of a polical movement. If Iraq turns into a theocracy, it was not due to Iran or for lack of trying to the contrary by the US...it would be due to the abhorent and utter stupidity and ignorance of those to be governed. The reason why the middle east has been mired in a 1400 year old dark age is due to Islam. Destroying Islam is the only way to end the madness over there.


47 posted on 07/27/2005 1:32:58 PM PDT by Frenetic
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To: Billthedrill
Nostalgic for the rape rooms, are we? """

There's plenty of institutionalized rape in Islamic fundamentalist countries. Or do you deny that?

48 posted on 07/27/2005 1:33:15 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

We aren't extablishing an Islamic government in Iraq. In Iran you have an Islamic government controlled by religious leaders, in Iraq you will have a government that the people get to decide. Just wait until the next election, I will bet you anything that the Sunnis vote and a Sunni, Kurdish, Allawi government forms that is pro-secular.

You seem to be forgetting that Afghanistan has Islam far more enshrined into its laws then Iraq does even if this draft goes through, which it very well may not. There are many drafts going around right now.


49 posted on 07/27/2005 1:33:48 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: churchillbuff

So you really are nostalgic for the rape rooms. I kinda thought so. Now, those entire families in mass graves - you'd rather have that than a chance at a new system?


50 posted on 07/27/2005 1:34:41 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: churchillbuff

Islam itself institutionalizes rape.


52 posted on 07/27/2005 1:37:42 PM PDT by thoughtomator (frotho ergo sum)
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To: Billthedrill
So you really are nostalgic for the rape rooms. """

You didn't pass reading comprehension, did you. I said that if Iraq becomes a fundamentalist Islamic country, there will be more institutionalized rape. Just as before. I'm not "nostalgic" for such barbarism -- I'm regretful that we have lost 2000 of our finest so that Iraq could become an Islamic fundamentalist country. Saddam was a butcher - just like the Chinese rulers are, just like Castro is. I don't hear you calling for US to invade those countries - - but not calling for invasion doesn't make you a supporter of their brutality. I don't call you a supporter of Castro's cruelty - so don't call me a supporter or "nostalgic" for Saddam's cruelty. In other words, don't be a jerk.

53 posted on 07/27/2005 1:39:22 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: jmc1969

"..even if this draft goes through, which it very well may not. There are many drafts going around right now."

Exactly, this is only ONE version, do we know what are in the MANY other drafts? Who in Iraq wrote this, could it be someone who picked the one draft of many that would send a negative message? Why not wait until all the horses are in the barn before reacting. I would think this story is something the NYSlimes would love to print.


54 posted on 07/27/2005 1:39:48 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: churchillbuff
Oh, I comprehend what you wrote very well. You are attempting to claim that a government populated by thugs that routinely gassed, shot, tortured, raped, and oppressed its people is preferable to the one that isn't even formed yet, because you don't like some of the things you're hearing about the new one's legal foundations. That's about it, isn't it?
56 posted on 07/27/2005 1:43:38 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: churchillbuff
There we differ. I've been in favor of deposing Saddam since he started the first Gulf War.

The colonial and highly appropriate solution is to impose a new secular constitution for about a generation, then let the new generation amend that constitution to suit them. Asking a group of people who have never known freedom to write a constitution to guarantee freedom is tantamount to asking a former communist for business advice; they simply have no basis in experience to contribute anything useful
57 posted on 07/27/2005 1:45:58 PM PDT by CzarChasm (My opinion. No charge.)
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To: hugoball

President Bush liberated them from a brutal dictatorship and gave them their country back. We won the war, it's up to them to decide what to do with it. Don't let the MSM try to spin this as a defeat for Bush.


58 posted on 07/27/2005 1:46:16 PM PDT by balch3
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To: razoroccam
Inevitable. Was the biggest argument against the war.

Yup.

Shall we just pull out now or re-invade while we're there?

59 posted on 07/27/2005 1:47:06 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: churchillbuff

HEY WHERE ARE ALL THE FREEPERS WHO CLAIMED THIS WASN'T REAL JUST 3 DAYS AGO?


60 posted on 07/27/2005 1:49:23 PM PDT by montag813
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