Islam Dominates Iraq's Draft Constitution

yahoo/ap ^ | July 27 05 | yahoo/ap

[montag813]

Douglas MacArthur would never have permitted this. Paul Bremer was such a pussy and frankly so is Bush. We should be having the Iraqi oil pay us back for every penny we spent in Iraq, and we should be banning Shari'a Law from their new Constitution. But Bush wont do either because he is a slave to political correctness. It is despicable.

[xmm0]

I was thinking the same thing.

If no one wishes to act against thier enemy due to what the enemy may do, then you have lost. The religion is the problem. Taking out evey leader of islam and every mosque is a start, but I'd rather take out the head of the snake and let the body die. I was only offering what I believe to be a solution, as there is no centralized leadership. No Hirohito, no Fuehrer. Only mecca and medina and every mosque and self proclaimed leader.

As for Jerusalem, I don't believe that it is even in the koran. If I remember, they declared it a holy site because muhammed had a dream of some place unnamed and the leaders declared this place to be Jerusalem, which muhammed never even went to.

[Steve_Seattle]

"Islam is the official religion of the state and is the main source of legislation"

The key word in this sentence is "main." Everything hinges on how that word is interpreted. Obviously Islam will be a primary influence on legislation; anyone who doubted that was living in a dream world. But if a hard-line interpretation of sharia is avoided, it will be a loss for the terrorists and the fundamentalist imams. "Main" gives us hope - for now - that there is resistance to the hard-liners and that this resistance is finding its way into the law. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[freedom44]

If this is the result it would have been much better to keep Saddam in place.

[ValenB4]

Ultimately, I think you are right. That's probably what it will come down to. That's the only military act that I think would actually do some good in the long run.

[G32]

If I were in the military, I'd go AWOL over this news. Screw it.

[slowhand520]

Very true. Just got done reading a great book from Bernard Lewis. In one chapter he goes into detail on how Arabs are not patriotic. They are only religious. There is no sense of nationalism. To them nationalism is denying God and a zionist trait.

[churchillbuff]

You are attempting to claim that a government populated by thugs that routinely gassed, shot, tortured, raped, and oppressed its people is preferable to the one that isn't even formed yet"""

Nope, I'm saying that it wasn't our business to displace that government, NOT because I endorse their brutality, but because it wasn't a threat to us - - and it's also the case that it's going to be replaced by Islamic fundamentalism.

[Spottys Spurs]

"Framers of Iraq's constitution will designate Islam as the main source of legislation"

If this constitution goes through, it will IMHO validate the position of many who said this was a no-win situation that we should avoid.

[TheDon]

You watch, a couple hundred years from now, likely sooner, the ICLU will be denying the writers of the Iraq Constitution were Muslims.

[churchillbuff]

You are attempting to claim that a government populated by thugs that routinely gassed, shot, tortured, raped, and oppressed its people is preferable"""

You mean the Chinese government? I haven't heard you call for invading China - - does that mean you support its brutality? No it doesnt. I'm not juvenile enough to accuse you of supporting Chinese brutality, the way you accuse me of supporting Saddam brutality. You may not support invading ?China or Cuba or North Korea or Zimbabwe, but only a nitwit would say that means you support their brutality. So stop being a nitwit and saying I support Saddam's brutality. I didn't see the invasion as necessary to our interests - - that's a very different thing.

[churchillbuff]

The key word in this sentence is "main." """

I see. It all depends on what the meaing of "is" is. Is that what you're saying?

[Spottys Spurs]

"Douglas MacArthur would never have permitted this. Paul Bremer was such a pussy and frankly so is Bush. We should be having the Iraqi oil pay us back for every penny we spent in Iraq, and we should be banning Shari'a Law from their new Constitution. But Bush wont do either because he is a slave to political correctness. It is despicable."

You hit the nail right on the head!

[xmm0]

The sad part is that modern nations (and subsequently thier militaries) only believe in borders and armies. The concept of religion is just an idea that various individuals have instead of a binding ideals of a nation without borders. Declaring war on a religion is just something they won't do.

On a side note I got to thinking after typing this:
"The concept of religion is just an idea that various individuals have instead of a binding ideals of a nation without borders."
It would seem that islam, with its rather uniformity in rules regardless of location, would fit quite well with GW's NWO. Don't expect him to denounce islam in *any* way soon. < /tin-foil-hat >

[swarthyguy]

>.There is no sense of nationalism

One of the reasons for that is some of the Arab states are jerryrigged cartographic colonial creations that the nationalistic ideal has not been strong enough to carry the populace.

Morocco, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria (the Maghreb) are exceptions.

Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and even Saudi are pretty much creations of the English and the French.

[jpl]

They are only religious. There is no sense of nationalism. To them nationalism is denying God and a zionist trait.

As is plainly obvious in Iraq, even the sense of religion is fractious, to say the least. They're more akin to the primitive clan-like parts of Africa.

These people are just so far behind the times that adopting rabid nationalism would actually be a huge step forward.

[Little Ray]

We shoulda dropped a Constitution on their collective desk and said "this is your Constitution - do a good job and we'll let you amend it some day."

Oh well.

[ValenB4]

It's just a dysfunctional culture. Maybe it can reform itself. But things are starting to progress and will probably get worse. I'm not happy about the prospect of where things will probably end up. If we are nuked, and some of our cities are rendered uninhabitable, then we will have to respond, like Tancredo said. But against who? It will probably be done by a terrorist group not affiliated with a country. So we just can't pick a random country? The target would have to be the sites that inspire the religion. That is preferable to just wiping out the entire Middle East.

Then the whole world would have to to deal with the consequences of containing a religion in its insane death throes. But eventually that too would subside. It's very scary and I don't say that with any glee or bloodlust. If anyone can give me cause to be optimistic, do so.

[razoroccam]

"Shall we just pull out now or re-invade while we're there?"

The answer my friend is blowing in the wind.
1. Do everything under the sun to find alternate sources of energy
2. Drill in Alaska
3. Stop import of oil from ME (no, not Maine)
4. Pull out from ALL of ME
5. Tell the Muslim world - you do it your way, we do it our way. We have nothing to do with you, you have nothing to do with us. When you grow up as a civilization, come talk. Till then, hasta la vista.

[madison10]

I think daku is saying that it's an AP/yahoo story & like all AP/Yahoo stories one needs to take it with a humongous grain of salt.