Posted on 07/17/2005 6:25:26 PM PDT by CHARLITE
British citizens, who happen to be Muslim, murdered over 50 people, including themselves. Or, was it Islamists, who happen to be British, killed innocent people? It makes a difference. Brits today, Americans tomorrow, must know who their domestic enemies are and what kind of war they are fighting to win.
Assuming Brits or Americans have the will to win.
This World War is between a totalitarian ideology, born of a relatively barbaric culture, against all humankind. Domestic Islamists, acting as terrorists in the country of their birth, can be defeated.
The Liberal Secular Humanist majority in the U.K., like their U.S. counterpart, preens about a “multi-cultural” and diverse society. Yet, one culture alone rules. Only thoroughly changed, Westernized Muslims can co-exist within Western culture. Islamic culture produces a naturally-growing Islamist Totalitarian minority (currently 10% of Muslims) regardless of any dialogue, understanding, groveling, and concessions made to Muslims. It’s like Native Americans. The cultures of warring Neolithic tribal societies and an agrarian, then industrial, Western society could not co-exist peacefully. History and modernity suggest several solutions.
· Ignore and Pretend. No surviving culture succeeded with this strategy. Liberals and moderates would like to try to ignore the problem beginning by not naming it truthfully. Pretend that more security measures will make life safe enough. Like it’s a police problem. Like it’s a hatred of our ''freedoms'' and our way of life. Raids, integral to the Native-American way of life – their culture, were savage assaults on the frontier. From 1608 to 1890, those folks living under the threat of such attacks didn’t suffer the folly and well-wishing pretense of people who lived in safety. If Islamists personalize the war with many more July 7ths and 9-11s, the pretending will end.
· Separate and Isolate. Indigenous peoples were shoved out of the way or put on reservations. Israelis are building a wall to keep Palestinians away. The Chinese built their Great Wall. The Romans had Hadrian’s Wall, rivers and seas and a fortified frontier to keep the barbarians out. The United States passed a Chinese Exclusion Act and cut non-Northern European immigration to a trickle with the 1920’s Immigration Act. The United Kingdom and United States could restrict the immigration of Muslims to cut their rate of growth, but both nations lack the consensus and will to do so. Neither nation would dare move their Muslim populations to better control them.
Yet, both countries may increase their surveillance and intrusive searches for the Imams and their followers who preach “hate,” if attacks terrify their populace enough. New Patriot Acts on steroids may come to both birthplaces of modern Western freedoms. Unfortunately, when the Liberal Secular Humanists find enough moral courage to suppress more speech, assembly and religion in the name of security and safety, they will assuredly use it against the Evangelical Christians they hate more than the Islamists they fear.
· Annihilate and Expel. Genocide and mass expulsions frequent history, as against Indians in America, but neither will be considered, unless almost all Muslims became Islamists. That is unlikely to happen in the coming decades. Alien Muslims could be deported more frequently, but such scrutiny by religion and defense of sovereign borders, is improbable in the politically correct U.S.
· Convince and Convert. If the U.S. or U.K. can define what it means to be an American or British, then either nation could assimilate a minority. Once, Indian children were shipped to the Carlisle School and Hampton Institute and Westernized.
A confident and ascending culture gains converts voluntarily. Barbarians crossed the Rhine in the 4th Century to join the rising Legions, call themselves by Latin names, wear Roman dress and become citizens - inheritors to Roman Civilization. One hundred years later as Rome declined, Romans adapted Barbarian names and dress and swore allegiance to local tribal leaders.
Liberal Human Secularists in the U.K. will try to convert Muslims to their Paganism. They will fail. Something always beats nothing. The something of an identity, and purpose in life, regardless of how false a God image and phony as Abrahamaic faith, will reproduce and prevail over worship of small god of ‘self’.
Unless the U.K. has a Great Awakening of its traditional Christian faith, it’s doomed to a long twilight struggle against the enemies being born within the gates. The U.S. shall prevail. If domestic Islamists ever threaten like the Indians did, then they will suffer the same fate. Or, Muslims will be assimilated as Christian Evangelicals love them into Christian faith and Western Civilization – American culture.
About the Writer: James Atticus Bowden has specialized in inter-disciplinary long range "futures" studies for over a decade. Employed by a Defense Department contractor, he is a retired United States Army Infantry Officer, and a 1972 graduate of the United States Military Academy. He earned graduate degrees from Harvard University and Columbia University, and holds three elected Republican Party offices in Virginia. Contact at jatticus@aol.com.
Char :)
I'm gonna vote for "separate and irradiate"
Wishful thinking.
Great analogy.
IF - If aQ pulls off another 911 here, there won't be a mooselimb alive inside our borders within one week.
But, in the NE people learn to guiltily deplore what "we" did to the "poor indians". That could pose a problem.
Sound like this guy is projecting a future in gambling casinos for muzzies. Too much book learning makes for airhead judgements.
.......or "what Roosevelt did to American-born Japanese........"
The problem with "guilt from hindsight" is that one no longer has the tempo and the sheer fright of the moment; - of the times during which such decisions were made.
I just saw an argument last night on another thread, between two commentators. One suggested that we should round up all Muslims and sequester or deport them.
I happen to favor that approach.........and I do so in the interests of saving America. No measure is "too harsh," when you're discussing the fact that your country, your native land hangs in the balance, and that failure to take every possible precaution means turning this shining city on a hill into the Islamic States of America.
The FReeper who was opposing the above poster's argument thought that in America we just can't engage in such sweeping, drastic measures.
Try positing that you are looking back on this period from 2080, and you're wearing a burka if you are a woman, and a turban with a bushy full beard if you are a man.......and you're puzzling to yourself why those who were in charge, and those truly patriotic Americans in 2005 didn't TAKE A STAND and pursue brutal but effective measures to save you from what you are now enduring.....in 2080.......with no end in sight because Islam owns the world!
Theatrical?
Overblown?
Read the Koran........and listen to any "Imam" anywhere on our soil or someone else's soil.
Char
The free land and the freedoms of America's indigenous people, American Indians, were invaded and usurped by Europe's greedy conquest enterprises and later by European colonists. Militant resistance by disenfranchised American Indians centuries ago does not compare to the fanatical purposes of Muslim terrorism in today's world. I highly resent the comparison...for the record.
If we could stop the next King's Crossing attack in America by starting to deport the most devout Islamic fundamentalists today, wouldn't it be worth it? Are even 53 deaths worth not doing it? What red blooded American is willing to accept 53 bombing deaths in an American city because we refused to intern our Islamist population?
I was referring to his presumptive claim that muslims will somehow get off their knees five times a day and follow Christ en masse. I don't see it happening.
ALLAHU AKBAR! = HEIL HITLER! 
Thanks, John. When you - and other THINKING Americans - say things like this, it makes me proud to be an American. We can only hope that our leaders will eventually see it this way, too........or that enough true Americans will, in a phrase, "rise up" and demand that these hate-spewing Allah worshippers be carted off to yell their lungs out to their hearts' content.....in caves and sand dunes, where they can no longer incite the unstable, murderous passions of young "jihadists."
Thanks for your contribution to this thread, John!
Let them "get their rocks off" by wrestling lions for a change.
Char
Muslems are inherently weak people and could be eliminated from the USA in a good afternoon if the country's mood changed. And gone with them would also be the multiculturalists and other s**theads of the Left.
who has the bigger weapons, and is ready to use them? THAT'S who wins.....
Ah but are we willing to use the weapons at our disposal? Not even close. They are willing to blow themselves up along with women and children while we are hesitant to even cause them discomfort.
sooner or later we are gonna have to move the women and children over to one side and do what we have to do, in Iraq, and anywhere else.
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