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No FR in 1980. What would it say about boycott of Summer Games? Vanity.
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Posted on 07/09/2005 7:03:09 AM PDT by Pappy Smear

As there was no Free Republic in 1980, I was wondering about Carter's boycott of the 80 Summer Games in Moscow. Agree or disagree? Set aside for a moment that it was Carter. On the plus side, it certainly hurt them economically, and I think his gist was the human rights angle, which certainly has merit.

However, I can see it from the point of view that it is just athletics, and we should have let the team go, and try to beat some Rooskie butt.

I was only 14 at the time, and certainly not up on international affairs, maybe a more seasoned Freeper would care to chime in?


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1 posted on 07/09/2005 7:03:09 AM PDT by Pappy Smear
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It was completely symbolic and largely ignored by the world.

Sometimes doing the right thing does not pay.

2 posted on 07/09/2005 7:05:18 AM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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It's not as if Americans were going to flock to Moscow in droves anyway. It had minimal effect on the Soviets. Now NBC, on the other hand...


3 posted on 07/09/2005 7:07:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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The Soviets and East Germans were on undectable drugs anyway, so it wasn't really a competition.


4 posted on 07/09/2005 7:09:07 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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I took it to be a weak response to the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan. He was measured by the Soviets when it was discovered that they were sending arms to Cuba and he did nothing about it. (And I will never forget Carter's using federal funds to send fans to poor people in the south during his failed reelection campaign to try to win votes.)

IOW, Carter's Olympic ban really only hurt the kids who would have competed.

5 posted on 07/09/2005 7:10:24 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Dawgs praying for our English brothers and sisters)
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It came down to a choice between boycotting the Olympics or the entire Cabinet mooning Russia on live TV. Carter took the Democrat way out and put the onus on our young men and women who had worked all their lives for their one chance at achieving a dream of a lifetime.


6 posted on 07/09/2005 7:17:09 AM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is everything in a democracy. Losing is for people unclear on the concept.)
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You ask us to put aside the fact that it was Carter. Impossible, impossible, impossible. I just can't disassociate myself from that fact. It is difficult to think of a worse US President. I guess one could make an argument for James Buchanan or Warren Harding, but it's tough. Carter was just sooooooooo bad.


7 posted on 07/09/2005 7:17:24 AM PDT by kjo
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All it did was punish America athletes for Soviet misconduct. Impossible to put aside that it was Carter because it was such a typically idiotic Carter move, things like that are why Carter was an awful president and lost re-election.


8 posted on 07/09/2005 7:19:25 AM PDT by discostu (The dude abides)
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When the Olympics banned South Africa while allowing every single Communist dictatorship, I decided to boycott them permanently.


9 posted on 07/09/2005 7:19:30 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Pappy Smear
In 1980 my comment to FR would have been this...


10 posted on 07/09/2005 7:19:54 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: Thebaddog
"IOW, Carter's Olympic ban really only hurt the kids who would have competed."

Can you imagine the athletes who busted butt for years to prep for their one shot on the main stage and have it pulled from you at the last minute by some do-gooder politician. Unconscionable imho.

11 posted on 07/09/2005 7:20:39 AM PDT by chiller (DONE: Gore, taxes, terrorism,Kerry, Old Media. TO DO: Judges, Tort, IRS, Soc.Sec.,borders..)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

There are holes in that argument.


12 posted on 07/09/2005 7:22:19 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Pappy Smear

Carter is was better than any other Democrat in pandering to rhetoric over substance. The Olympic boycott hurt nobody other than fans and the athletes and had zero influence with Russia. Typically, Carter punished the US for something another country did. Sound familiar?


13 posted on 07/09/2005 7:22:47 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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Upon reflection it shows Carter frame of mind concerning foreign policy:

Thinking that boycotting the 1980 Olypimcs games, stopping grain shipments would have a meaningful effect on the Soviets moving into Afghanistan all the while helping arm the Mujahedeen was all a political ploy to be a nice democrat without spending political capital to stand up to commies.

His party was a bunch of commie loving democrats, so he proved himself to be a feckless leader, which in fact he was.

14 posted on 07/09/2005 7:24:36 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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Carter's prime objective in office seemed to be depressing the bejesus out of the country. The boycott of the Olympics, while American hostages were being held in Tehran, was a ridiculous gesture that only struck another blow to national pride. At the time, I felt terrible for the young men and women who had been training for the Olympics only to have Carter pull the rug out from under them.

The boycott accomplished nothing except sinking the nation even deeper into a funk. The best you can say about Carter is that he was the night before the new American morning of Ronald Reagan.


15 posted on 07/09/2005 7:25:00 AM PDT by RedRover
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To: Morgan in Denver

better, is was... sorry = WAS NO BETTER


16 posted on 07/09/2005 7:25:25 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Slim, I have just reported you to the moderators. What you just posted is beyond the bounds of good taste. Now if you would just go and punch the 27th hole in the 3rd column, I could maybe agree with you.


17 posted on 07/09/2005 7:26:04 AM PDT by Pappy Smear
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To: discostu

Would Reagan, if he was in Carter's position, done the same thing? And if so, would those who chastise Carter for the boycott, done the same thing if it were Reagan that did it. The difference is, Reagan would have done even more than the boycott, while Carter thought that would have been enough.


18 posted on 07/09/2005 7:28:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Pappy Smear

The Olympics is about politics, always has been, always will be. To think otherwise is naive.


19 posted on 07/09/2005 7:30:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: chiller
I seem to remember talk about the Basketball team and the Track Team being particularly screwed by it all.

I'm still amazed that Carter ran this country for four years. And I remember that Reagan's election wasn't obvious until the last weekend before election day.

20 posted on 07/09/2005 7:32:15 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Hail Britannia!)
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