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ON STAGE IN NEW YORK: The Reverend and the Rapist
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| 6-27-05
| Doug from Upland
Posted on 06/27/2005 1:51:56 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
"Yes, he could have thanked a former president and current senator for being there. That should have ended it. Rev. Graham has been soiled and used by the Clintons in a very calculating way." Correct.
81
posted on
06/27/2005 3:22:37 PM PDT
by
M. Espinola
(Freedom is never free)
To: WVNan
I am a Southern Baptist. I say baloney to your assessment of Baptist.
82
posted on
06/27/2005 3:22:51 PM PDT
by
Coldwater Creek
('We voted like we prayed")
To: mariabush
My fingers were faster than my brain on the spelling.
83
posted on
06/27/2005 3:24:09 PM PDT
by
Coldwater Creek
('We voted like we prayed")
To: nina0113
I must have forgotten that also. He really did say that?
If true, his statements this weekend were no joke. More like his ministry received tons of calls on this, and the twist came in.
To: k2blader
If he is Southern Baptist, his doctrine is probably just fineYou are not referring to BC, are you? As a sister SB I'm convinced that Billy just "got wet" when he was baptized... nothing more!
85
posted on
06/27/2005 3:29:10 PM PDT
by
Former Fetus
(fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
To: doug from upland
I think Graham was being a little facetious but still one of the dumbest things he has ever done.
86
posted on
06/27/2005 3:29:49 PM PDT
by
yarddog
To: Theodore R.; Blurblogger
"I don't think Reverend Graham was joking at all. I think he was just catering to powerful people, which has alas been his great weakness over the years."
100% CORRECT - HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!
IMO, he is and always has been a panderer. Whether he knew or not, that Nixon was somewhat anti-semitic, he went into a private meeting with Nixon at the White House and made pointedly anti-semitic remarks, which were caught on tape. I think that this man tries to be "loved, admired and respected" by the powerful, whenever and wherever he crosses their paths.
Just my opinion, but it certainly looks that way to me.
On doctrinal matters, he can't have it both ways: going around for some 6 decades preaching about "sin" and retribution, and then forgiving everyone everywhere for everything, as though sinning is no big deal. That's the LIBERALS' position! No one is guilty of anything to liberals! eg: "It was ONLY about sex..."
What has Billy Graham's ministry been about, then, if he's going to give "absolution" to shockingly immoral (and also amoral) people like BOTH Clintons?!
Char
87
posted on
06/27/2005 3:31:48 PM PDT
by
CHARLITE
(I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
To: presently no screen name
Yes he really did. Several people on one of the other threads discussing the crusade remembered this clearly as well. Though I am Catholic now, I was raised Southern Baptist & grew up to have high respect for Billy Graham even after my conversion. He lost it all with those statements.
88
posted on
06/27/2005 3:38:51 PM PDT
by
nina0113
To: 1dadof3
What a sad ending to glorious careerYou said it.
Very disappointing.
I've listened to so many of his sermons since the 1950's.
And this just leaves me very disappointed.
89
posted on
06/27/2005 3:48:46 PM PDT
by
the Deejay
(THE LADY DEEJAY)
To: FreeRep
Re #44 - That is the exact verse that came to my mind whenever I first read about the Clintons being on stage with Dr. Graham. The Lord will be the judge of us all.
90
posted on
06/27/2005 3:54:03 PM PDT
by
Faith
To: k2blader
I'm SB and that's the first time I've heard of that rule.My comment was sort of tongue-in-cheek, but it's generally the case with all denominations. Those within one's own denomination is often considered "more" of a brother/sister than those of another denomination.
91
posted on
06/27/2005 3:58:03 PM PDT
by
WVNan
To: presently no screen name
What about not speaking at all? :)No doubt a better decision, but we old folk often speak out of turn.
92
posted on
06/27/2005 4:00:07 PM PDT
by
WVNan
To: mariabush
93
posted on
06/27/2005 4:04:44 PM PDT
by
WVNan
To: WVNan
I hear what you're saying, WVNan, and I should add no offense was intended. If I remember correctly I think Algore and Carter are also Southern Baptists. I may disagree 120% with their politics, but they may very well be brothers in Christ.
94
posted on
06/27/2005 4:06:50 PM PDT
by
k2blader
(Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
To: doug from upland
Clinton implied that he and Hillary were believers as he introduced Graham. It's because of this that Rev Graham's remarks were confusing.
The scripture that comes to mind is I Corinthians 5:9.
Paul writes:
When I wrote to you before I said not to mix with evil people. But when I said that I wasn't talking about unbelievers who live in sexual sin.......For you can't live in this world without being with people like that. What I meant was that you are not to keep company with anyone who claims to be a brother Christian but indulges in sexual sins......Don't even eat lunch with such a person."
Not sure if it applies????
95
posted on
06/27/2005 4:15:18 PM PDT
by
falpro
To: OldFriend
BG didn't joke about any of these things:
Do we joke about adultery?
Do we joke about taking advantage of a young girl his daughter's age?
Do we joke about selling access to the White House?
Do we joke about selling our national security to the Chinese?
Do we joke about being impeached, losing one's law license?
He didn't endorse Hillary!
I joke about Hillary but I'm not endorsing her.
It was simply a joke. I laughed and others laughed.
The media is making this into something it is not.
You fell for it. Do you really think the media likes a person like BG? He doesn't endorse their values or lack of belief. Of course they are going to jump on him and hope others will do as you are doing!
I don't have it in my heart to trash a good man who spent over 60 years of his life trying to bring others to Christ. That's wrong in my book - over a joke, no less.
BG was at the side of Presidents who are Republicans and Democrats. This is nothing new. People are over reacting.
96
posted on
06/27/2005 4:17:35 PM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
To: OldFriend
Actually speaking about adultery ... know what the joke is about a sales manager where my husband works is?
"Whose wife will she be tonight ?"
Whenever they are out of town, she is a "wife for a night" for someone else.
Yes, the things you listed are joked about.
Sad but true.
97
posted on
06/27/2005 4:19:48 PM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
To: CedarDave
I was THERE.
I SAW HOW he said it.
I laughed and so did others.
Bill and Hill laughed.
It was a JOKE. I don't understand why FOX is parading this around. Maybe they're having a slow day. I don't know. I think it is a disgrace to trash this man over a JOKE that maybe some didn't find funny. So be it! It's not an excuse to trash a dying man who did allot of good. Maybe this is the best they could do for something "sensational". FOX wants ratings too!
It was not "my interpretation of a joke".
BTW, were YOU there?
It's not a sin to laugh at something absurd.
People are reading far too much into this.
98
posted on
06/27/2005 4:25:14 PM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
To: mariabush
" The impact the Dr. Graham's words could have an everlansting efect of some people", I don't believe that for a second. Oh, the dems and Clinton MSM friends will continue to try and make it so, but it's not going to happen. The Clintons can fool some of the people all the time, and all the people some of the time, when they are dealing with charletons and godless gurus. But Billy Graham is different.
99
posted on
06/27/2005 4:25:40 PM PDT
by
YaYa123
(@The Clintons Cannot Corrupt Billy Graham, But How Like Them To Try.com)
To: doug from upland
"A guy walks into a pub and places a little tiny man on the bar with a little tiny piano.................."
yes ... .
100
posted on
06/27/2005 4:26:04 PM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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