Obama's stand against Patriot Act cheered (by librarians)

Bakersfield Californian ^ | 6/25/05 | Carla K. Johnson - AP

[river rat]

I couldn't care less if they check my library records...or book purchases...

I've got nothing left to hide -- and want to share the joy!

And by the way ---- in case you can't read or remember, it didn't work to deny Thomas his position...

More damage to Thomas was done by a lying leftist bitch and her puppeteers in the Senate...

Semper Fi

[al_again]

Some quotes to ponder:

"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine

"The trade-off between freedom and security, so often proposed so seductively, very often leads to the loss of both." -- Christopher Hitchens in the August, 2003 issue of Reason.

"Patrick Henry did not say, 'Give me absolute safety or give me death.' " -- John Stossel, "20/20", ABC-TV, Aug. 3, 2001

"For those looking for security, be forewarned that there's nothing more insecure than a political promise." -- Harry Browne

"Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be." -- L. Neil Smith

I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air – that progress made under the shadow of the policeman’s club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave.” -- H. L. Mencken, "Why Liberty?" January 30, 1927

There are a hundred more applicable quotes but I will spare you the reading. The point is clear.

[Hacksaw]

Saint Obana Makes A Pronoucment!

[NormsRevenge]

And after the cheering finished, they all went "SSHHHHH!" to one another. The convention thus continued. Quietly.

A Far Side moment :)

[California Patriot]

These are just stupid cliches. Most cliches have some truth to them. But there is no loss of liberty in the government's ability to look at library records. And we're not talking about "security" in the sense of government taking care of our lives. We're talking "security" in the sense of government preventing massive loss of life, which only government can do. Wake up and smell the coffee. We live in a very, very dangerous world. And people who won't face up to it, who bytch about every tiny little adjustment we might need to make in our lives, are poor excuses for citizens.

[satchmodog9]

If a government is providing the Internet access they should be allowed to have oversight over its use. I am totally against government interference in my life, but if you want to use a government computer expect to be monitored. If you don't like it loser, get your own computer.

[alancarp]

Happens late at night with reports of people being abjectly nearsighted. Cheers.

[al_again]

I guess I am happy to be a 'poor citizen'. It is ironic that you use such an Orwellian reference for those who don't want to give up their liberty.

PS - I like my stupid cliches!

[easonc52]

We're talking "security" in the sense of government preventing massive loss of life, which only government can do. Wake up and smell the coffee. We live in a very, very dangerous world.

Amen.

[Gabz]

Libraries are public places therefore their records are public. Book stores are not, they are private entities - totally different situation.

OOOOOOPS I forgot about those pesky little things like smoking bans that declare private businesses public places and supreme Court rulings that claim increased tax revenue is public use even though it's private property.....silly me. /sarcasm

[BlackbirdSST]

These are just stupid cliches. Most cliches have some truth to them. But there is no loss of liberty in the government's ability to look at library records. And we're not talking about "security" in the sense of government taking care of our lives. We're talking "security" in the sense of government preventing massive loss of life, which only government can do. Wake up and smell the coffee. We live in a very, very dangerous world. And people who won't face up to it, who bytch about every tiny little adjustment we might need to make in our lives, are poor excuses for citizens.

I'm sorry you have to spend your life so askeeeered, must be tough on you. Blackbird.

[to_zion]

We shouldn't have to register anything, library items included.

[California Patriot]

There is really no response to your last, mindless post. It's one of those cases where no comment is necessary.

If you want to advance your purist, lunatic-fringe libertarian views, you really must do a whole lot better than grade-school name-calling.

[rang1995]

never heard of him ,oh but i am not a drooling at the mouth democrat

[BlackbirdSST]

You using Patriot in your screen name is as much a travesty as those lunatics in Congress dubbing this the Patriot Act. They are diametrically opposed. My statement was appropriate given your remarks, as silly as they were. Go cuddle up with something fluffy and read 1984. Don't worry be happy, your Government will take care of you, not. Actually, hailing from California, they're doing a great job for you aren't they!? Looked south lately? Blackbird.

[California Patriot]

Mindless drivel, sir.